Comair exit poll

[acarpe3448]

I think it so funny to hear the Comair pilots so worried about their futures, pay concessions, furloughs etc. etc. It was not long ago how you all preached to me that the stingy Delta pilots priced themselves out of business, that the forces of the new industry could not support our contract, and the company did not need our furloughed pilots. Comair pilots sat there and enjoyed record growth, upgrades, new hires etc. etc. and refused to hire and single one of us. Well it's your turn now, your tune has changed, you screwed ASA's possibility of a good new contract (although I think they are crazy if they think they can get a industry leading contract these days) and the RJDC is dead. Enjoy the concessions, I know I am loving my 32.5% pay cut, although it is a lot better than the 2 1/2 years I was out of work. Those 89 days seem pretty meaningless now don't they!

 

[standaman]

ASA can still equal our contract with the concessions and still get a good raise. I am tired of hearing that argument. Comair looks out for Comair. ASA looks out for ASA.

 

[jarhead]

I think it so funny to hear the Comair pilots so worried about their futures, pay concessions, furloughs etc. etc. It was not long ago how you all preached to me that the stingy Delta pilots priced themselves out of business, that the forces of the new industry could not support our contract, and the company did not need our furloughed pilots. Comair pilots sat there and enjoyed record growth, upgrades, new hires etc. etc. and refused to hire and single one of us. Well it's your turn now, your tune has changed, you screwed ASA's possibility of a good new contract (although I think they are crazy if they think they can get a industry leading contract these days) and the RJDC is dead. Enjoy the concessions, I know I am loving my 32.5% pay cut, although it is a lot better than the 2 1/2 years I was out of work. Those 89 days seem pretty meaningless now don't they!

The RJDC has zero to do with the issues between Comair and its pilots. That is a lawsuit against ALPA national.....nothing more, nothing less. The RJDC ain't dead, sir.

 

[acarpe3448]

I disagree with you. The ALPA national disagreement may have been a part of the RJDC agenda, but it was very obvious that Ford and crew wanted to get rid of the Delta scope language so that they may get all of the jets they wanted, and any number of seats. The RJDC saw the postt 9-11 environment as their golden opportunity to try to shift all the flying they could, along with 90-100 seaters. They clearly stated that they felt their careers were being harmed due to scope limitations. The Comair pilots were looking out for themselves in this case, and in every case. Don't try to deny that they wanted more planes, more growth, more money, regardless of the number of pilots on furlough from Delta. Comair kept telling us how the more RJ's they got, the better off it would be for Delta's bottom line. The funny thing is that as Delta shifted more and more flying to RJ's, the more RJ's the more RJ's they purchased, the more Delta Connection grew, the MORE MONEY DELTA LOST! It's a fact.

 

[jarhead]

So you are saying that if Delta pilots flew all the 70 seaters above 57 air frames, at Delta pay rates, Delta would be losing less money?

Why is DAL flying the RJ's at all, instead of 737's on all the routes DCI operates on? Mama Delta is the entity that selects or approves the DCI routes and frequency.

I recall looking a few months back at the frequency of flights from MSP to CVG. There were 8 per day; 6 were Comair RJ's, 1 was an MD-88, and 1 was a 737-200. How come? I mean, why would Delta only have two flights if the other six were losing so much money?

 

[jarhead]

I just looked at the Delta flight schedule for March 4th from MSP to CVG There are now a total of seven flights in the Delta system on that date between the two cities mentioned. NWA also sends some planes out between the cities on Mesaba.

There are zero mainline aircraft flying it for Delta, and there are seven Comair flights. Of those seven Comair flights, 4 are 50 seaters, and 3 are 70 seaters.

Why do you suppose that is? Is the Delta management so stupid that they won't put any of their money making Mainline airplanes on that route? They want only to fly the money losing Comair RJ's between these two major market hubs; one being a NWA hub and the other a Delta hub! ?

That really puzzles me, given the assertion that RJ's are more costly than mainline aircraft flown by mainline pilots.

Hmmmm?

 

[bvt1151]

The funny thing is that as Delta shifted more and more flying to RJ's, the more RJ's the more RJ's they purchased, the more Delta Connection grew, the MORE MONEY DELTA LOST! It's a fact.

Your correlation is rediculous.

 

[av8tor4239]

87% Voted

60.6 % FOR
39.4 % AGAINST

Sad, disapointing, and disgusting....

 

[acarpe3448]

My correlation is not any more rediculous than Comair's claim that an increase in RJ flying was helping Delta's bottom line. The fact is, as the RJ's increased over the past several years, Delta's losses increased. Comair pilots are getting a taste of that humble pie, realizing that they are not worth anymore than anyone else. It's a sad fact, I wish we all could go back to where we were.

 

[jarhead]

My correlation is not any more rediculous than Comair's claim that an increase in RJ flying was helping Delta's bottom line. The fact is, as the RJ's increased over the past several years, Delta's losses increased. Comair pilots are getting a taste of that humble pie, realizing that they are not worth anymore than anyone else. It's a sad fact, I wish we all could go back to where we were.

Comair is making a profit; Delta mainline is losing money. Your statement is false, and foolish.

 

[PCL_128]

Comair is making a profit

Prove it. The truth is, no one outside of DCI and DAL management has any idea how profitable CMR and ASA are. They don't report earnings or anything else publicly. You can guess, but that's about it. Besides, how much does DAL contribute to the DCI operation? Gates, ticket counters, reservations, marketing, etc... are all paid for by mother Delta.

 

[jarhead]

I don't need to "prove it" to you or any other mindless and faceless entity on these boards. I know what I know, and I believe what I believe. You can whistle as you walk past the cemetery all you like; it's no concern of mine whatsoever. Believe what you want to.......

 

[acarpe3448]

I believe Comair pilots look like big time idiots about right now. I believe what I believe.

 

[jarhead]

I believe Comair pilots look like big time idiots about right now. I believe what I believe.

Ain't democracy great! We all get to believe what we choose to believe. 61 % of Comair Pilots believed differently than 39%. Live with it..........(BTW, you have no choice)

 

[Nindiri]

I believe what I believe.

So does the Flat Earth Society, but that doesn't mean they're intelligent.