Comair Crash

[Detroitpilot22]

I myself today was given a huge wake up call and reality check. We have just gone through the safest period in Us Aviation history. We have not had a crash since 2001, and since that day a lot of new pilots (including myself) have been hired. All of those of us that have been hired since 2001 have heard nothing but terms like bankruptcy, furlough, rfp, contract negotiations, 70 and 90 seaters and things of that nature. We have never heard terms like "crash, fatalities, and possible pilot error". Unfortunately sometimes a bad thing has to happen before you realize that you need to step back and refocus on what is important, Safety. My thoughts and prayers are with the family and friends of the crash victims, and to the f/o, as he moves forward in his recovery

 

[arthompson]

701 EV....though not a pilot due to medical issues, I agree with you entirely.

The line from high flight I think fits "...For I have slipped the surly bonds of earth and touched the face of god"

Godspeed to the crew, passengers and families. To all of you at Comair, Delta and Delta Connection, my heartfelt sympathy.

 

[GopherEvertt?]

This is pathetic-these vultures are already circling. Disguising a solicitation for aviation crash lawyers in the form of an article about the crash:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060827/nysu019.html?.v=51

May God bless and comfort the families of all involved.

 

[siouxicide]

I think gojo and black hawk were on to something. Joe Public demands flawless air travel yet thinks it's OK for 4 year FO's to make barely $30K. http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/comair.html WTF? For the same pay, a job at Home Depot would at least have a decent schedule. Does the FAA not understand what kind of stress it is to have a complete sh!t schedule, make less than $30K for several years, watch over your shoulder for furloughs, and juggle a family?!? That adds to stress in a marriage which drags everything full circle. This HAS to f@#$ with performance, so why then are airlines allowed to get away with it? Mesa et al can no longer be allowed to continue setting the standard. The responsibility we all share is stress enough. We don't need to be stripped of our self respect.
Say a prayer for everyone involved.

 

[arthompson]

I myself today was given a huge wake up call and reality check. We have just gone through the safest period in Us Aviation history. We have not had a crash since 2001,

We've had one. The Air Midwest flight that went down in CLT. I knew the Captain and miss her.

 

[Longhorn]

701EV...

Read your PM's. I have had a tough time getting on today with the slow down. Sorry if I sounded pissed in the PM but we are doing our best. With the amount of traffic on here today its been hard to edit much at all. Please understand. FN FAL has been a thorn in my side today along with a few others and for you to tell us to grow some balls was out of line I thought. I would hope that others think we are doing a good job but we are not perfect. Like I said, we are doing our best.

 

[Bryan D]

CX880,

Hey Modiraitors, grow some balls.

49 people died today.

They've been dead for 16hrs and 25min.

There were more than that,

 

[Real_Dumb_Pilot]

20/20 Hindsight aside, we should all take something from this accident. We should honor this crew by thinking of them everytime we taxi to takeoff. Standard Operating procedures do mitigate accidents, use them! Whether you are taxiing for takeoff or lining up for final, do a thorough brief each and every day, not just "standard".

This could happen to any one of us as could any number of previous accidents unless we learn from them and vow never to let the same thing happen to us. How many have seen the fateful Everglades crash and said, "no matter what, someone will always be flying the airplane." Do the same here. Check and recheck your heading and airport diagram to ensure you are where you think you are. Check your performance numbers. Ensure checklists are complete. If fatigue is a factor, make sure you do all that TWICE.

Sure, RAS might have prevented this tragedy, but we all know we don't fly the most modern aircraft. YOU are the last line of defense!

FLY SAFE!

 

[Rogue5]

From one company to another:

The news of the Comair accident hits very close to home for all of us at SkyWest. Our deepest sympathy and heartfelt compassion goes out to the families, crew and passengers as well as the entire Comair family. We are offering all SkyWest resources to assist Comair and Delta and appreciate the support of all of you. While the cause of this tragedy may take weeks or months to discover we must discipline ourselves not to speculate or comment on how this could have happened. Our airline, and our industry is the safest method of travel on the planet. This accident is a sobering reminder that we must be constantly vigilant and safety will not be compromised. Look out for one another and fly safe.

Godspeed...

 

[pipe]

I feel horrible for everyone involved in this accident, including the crew members. For some unknown reason they took off on the wrong runway. What could have possibly distracted them?

There was also a jumpseater onboard. Was he in the cockpit? If so, did he notice the wrong runway?

Lastly, what do you do when you notice the end of the runway is coming up? Do you throw everything out and ride it off the end or do you try to make it fly?

Too many questions which have no answers and will take sometime to get.

Guys, we're all human. The Captain of the KLM 747 that slammed into the PanAm 747 in Tenerife was supposed to be the best pilot KLM had. If it can, it will happen!

Life's too short!

Forever tailwinds and blue skies for all!

This is not second guessing and I am not implying that anyone should have done anything differently. I'm just throwing out an idea for everyone's bag of tricks in response to the above question.

I had a sim instructor in the DC-9 who used to do this little scenario every year: Barreling down the runway, below V1 and an unlit aircraft appears on the runway in front of you. Stopping is not an option. Swerving is not a good option. More flaps (like landing flaps) and the jet levitates over the traffic (well below V1). Granted, you're screwed in an engine failure, but that's the least of your worries at that point.

Just something to try when you are out of options. Worked in the sim.

Anyway, godspeed to the victims.

PIPE

 

[Longhorn]

Bryan D....

what do you mean?

 

[satpak77]

NO criminal prosecution people

FN FAL and some others were bantering about "reckless homicide", "negligent homicide", etc.

First of all, lets establish this happened in Kentucky.

RE

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/501-00/030.PDF

BOTH elements of 501.030 must be met to be prosecuted with a criminal offense. Observe the comment about "recklessly"

RE

http://www.lrc.ky.gov/KRS/507-00/CHAPTER.HTM

507.050 (1) requires "recklessness" as an element. This is the only negligent/reckless homicide statute in Kentucky.

Lets look at the definition of recklessness, accepted in legal circles.

RE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recklessness_(criminal)


http://dictionary.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/results.pl?co=dictionary.lp.findlaw.com&topic=32/322bea1fd48a116e9018e7e2c040dbc6


http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/reckless

: characterized by the creation of a substantial and unjustifiable risk to the lives, safety, or rights of others and by a conscious and sometimes wanton and willful disregard for or indifference to that risk that is a gross deviation from the standard of care a reasonable person would exercise in like circumstances

Long story short, an accident is what it is, an accident. Pilots going thru checklists, doing preflights, checking weather, and a human factors element then causes a mistake which leads to an accident, is called an accident and in this case tragedy.

FN FAL, you are wrong brother, sorry. Go back to law school or turn Nancy Grace off. Nancy concluded she does a better job being a TV personality then being a lawyer by profession. No, CNN ain't paying her more than what some high-powered lawyers are earning. Time to turn her off.

Hope this puts an end to this silly discussion. We are talking 50 (or 49?) people now deceased.

 

[Guitar rocker]

There were more than that,

Can you expand on THIS?

Godspeed to all those involved today and their families.

 

[Detroitpilot22]

We've had one. The Air Midwest flight that went down in CLT. I knew the Captain and miss her.

please accept my appology on that one, I am sorry i did not know about that one

 

[Prop2Jet]

I am saddened to hear of such a tragedy. We will always remember and have them in our prayers. Gods speed.

 

[mesaba2425]

this could have been anyone of use

No it couldn't and it shouldn't. What happened today was easily preventable. It's Private Pilot 101.

I do feel sorry for the FO though. He'll have to live knowing that his carelessness help lead to the death of 49 people.

 

[KingAir1985]

No it couldn't and it shouldn't. What happened today was easily preventable. It's Private Pilot 101.

I do feel sorry for the FO though. He'll have to live knowing that his carelessness help lead to the death of 49 people.

Are you kidding me?

 

[Longhorn]

Mesaba...show some respect for gods sake. 99% of you guys are really classy guys. Please do not stir the pot.

 

[imacdog]

No it couldn't and it shouldn't. What happened today was easily preventable. It's Private Pilot 101.

I do feel sorry for the FO though. He'll have to live knowing that his carelessness help lead to the death of 49 people.

It's a good thing you edited your original post, what's the hazardous attitude it falls under? Invulnerability?

 

[BSkin]

It's possible, but Comair's president said the crew had "more than adequate" or "well in excess" of the required rest that they needed in his first public address. I forget which term he used.

Unfortunately, to most, if not all airlines, that means 8 hrs, 1 min of rest. Not saying that occurred here.

God bless those lost and those affected.