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General Lee said:As far as the pension---I really don't care if it goes away, I won't be getting one. The guys who could take half of their lump sum have left the building. IF they didn't leave with their million dollars, too bad.
Bye Bye--General Lee
uba757 said:General why do you think we cant get the 100 seaters? I guess you rather they go to MESA. Spoke with one of the captains in the interview comm. and he says they want to put 2 classes a week for 3 weeks in September so I dont know what to tell you guys. Uba757
flaps30 said:you're so.... strange. I'll bet you're one of those guys who wears his hat while eating chow, come on admit it.
I don't care what aircraft you fly or where, your answer only proves how self-centered you really are.
uba757 said:General why do you think we cant get the 100 seaters? I guess you rather they go to MESA. Spoke with one of the captains in the interview comm. and he says they want to put 2 classes a week for 3 weeks in September so I dont know what to tell you guys. Uba757
DirkkDiggler said:General, I'm not trying to be too argumentative here because I agree with a lot of the stuff you've said here. However, I'd like to play devils advocate for a minute. The issue is why the regionals are flying 50 seat aircraft when the CASM is higher, especially in light of the ridiculour fuel prices. The reason there are so many 50 seat RJ's flying around is that mainline ALPA (at every major, but especially Delta) fought for such great contracts in their last negotiations prior to this economic slump. Therefore, regionals could actually fly these RJ's more economically because the crews are paid so little compared to what mainline would want to be compensated for flying them. The only reason these RJ's all have 50 seats is due to scope. Mainline ALPA is responsible for the limited scope. I agree that at the time the scope clause was written, it seemed like a good idea. It would protect mainline jobs and ensure that any larger aircraft were flown at mainline. Unfortunately, what ended up happening was that mainline management decided that it would be more economical to contract with RJ operators than to get more 73's or an equivalent aircraft at mainline. Now with fuel being the price it is, the RJ's are not as good a deal as everyone originally thought. I believe fuel was about $15-20 a barrel when the RJ's really hit the market full steam. As it happens, we are in an economic slump and that is forcing companies into bankruptcy. One thing has to give way, given the current fuel prices. Airlines either need to release scope, or mainline needs to lower it's pay to make it more affordable to fly these 100 seat aircraft at competitive rates. Now I'm not going to go down the road that a lot of people would go down right now as far as national unions would stop this, and if the LCC would step up and fight for better contracts, we'd all be better off. Those are grandiose ideas that aren't happening right now. High fuel prices and bankruptcy are happening right now and I'm only talking about the situation "as is." I'm interested in your thoughts.
General Lee said:Laiughing at Comair guys? Huh? Here we go again, same old Flaps 30 who doesn't know krap. I am just repeating from what I heard from the last Incommand session on Aug 10th--where Grinstein spoke. As far as the pension---I really don't care if it goes away, I won't be getting one. The guys who could take half of their lump sum have left the building. IF they didn't leave with their million dollars, too bad. We have had 2500 Captains leave in 14 months. 200 left today (Sept 1st). That is 200 widebody Captains. Upcoming pay cuts? Yup. But I can already hold Captain on the MD88, and even with the parking of some planes, I will probably hold 777 FO or 767-400 FO in ATL flying to Hawaii. Pay raises for both of those from my current pay, and with a pay cut it may come out about even. That's what happens when you lose 2500 Captains in 14 months. And you say what about scope? We may lose some, probably. But, you and I have no clue if there will be 100 seaters or if there will be more 70 seaters, which will likely replace all of the 50 seaters you may park. How long will it take to replace them? Good question. Do you know? Also, we just settled on a new 737-700 pay rate during our last round, and even Grinstein recently said we would love to have a bunch of those eventually to serve Central America---immediate profits too (no LCCs currently there---except TACA) Those carry how many people? I really don't know---125? So, again, please tell me how many DCI 100 seaters would be ordered if we still ordered a bunch of 125 seat 737-700s? Good question. Also, Comair probably wouldn't get ANY OF THE POSSIBLE 100 SEATERS.
Bye Bye--General Lee