Comair and Expressjet Pilots Hate RAH?

[SkyBoy1981]

I know the type of cat you are. If we flew a trip together, all you'd talk about is how you should be on that 75 at CAL, what type of motors it has, and how your uncle will get you hired just as soon as you get your 1000 PIC. Meanwhile, I'll have had to jump your ass becasue you've missed radio calls, standard callouts and you're unable to make crossing restrictions since this industry is "just a place for me to stay until CAL calls". I've seen it before, and I'll see it again.

So you're dogging me for making assumptions about things which I "know nothing about", yet you sit here and type a whole paragraph doing the same thing?

For the record, yes, I'm fairly new to the airline industry. I don't claim to know everything there is to know about your company, other than they are a threat to my job, and I have absolutely no family members in aviation...period.

 

[BlueCanoe]

So you're dogging me for making assumptions about things which I "know nothing about", yet you sit here and type a whole paragraph doing the same thing? I do know about you, because I am able to comprehend what I read. You are providing me with insight into your personality and knowledge of the subject everytime you post. I am merely aligning what insight I gain about you using my experience. I don't ramble about XJT, because I know very little about them. You, my friend, are a completely different animal. Everytime you say something, I learn. All that I have learned so far is that you are more inline with the persona I envision. So keep retorting, you are only verifing my correct assumptions about you.

For the record, yes, I'm fairly new to the airline industry. I don't claim to know everything there is to know about your company, other than they are a threat to my job, and I have absolutely no family members in aviation...period. It shows you are new to the deal. Guess what, so was I once. It didn't take me two years to be quiet and listen. Even though I didn't agree with everything that was told to me, I took it in, then had meaningful discourse. According to your management, my company is not a threat to your job. I've tried to get this across to you, but you are unable to understand. XJT is KEEPING the 69 airplanes. Therefore, they will need to continue to crew those 69 airplanes. Plain and simple. No jobs are lost. You need to learn what we know. Diversity is good. I've flown airplanes in the colors of no less than 6 airlines while working for one company. When one airline went broke, or got bought, my boss was able to find work for those airplanes. No jobs lost. Capice?

Now I have a homework assignment for you. Tell me who (individuals and institutions) who are listed as beneficial owners for XJT. Report your findings back here....

Good day

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I've made 3 points since I've started with this thread:

1) CHQ survives by undercutting other airlines for work, as they have lower operating costs.

2) The E170 rates are not up to par with where they should be (you even stated this yourself).

3) CHQ has the potential to cost other pilots their jobs when they undercut others for work (which is something I hope the ALPA Fee for Departure Task Force can help resolve...but I'm not holding my breath).

Those are the issues that I have with the company. Please, point out the inaccuracies in these 3 statements without rambling on into a novel of other BS such as your superior experience level, my "juvenile" personality, and my future career plans which are irrelevant to what we're talking about.

 

[OldManPilot]

I've made 3 points since I've started with this thread:

1) CHQ survives by undercutting other airlines for work, as they have lower operating costs.

2) The E170 rates are not up to par with where they should be (you even stated this yourself).

3) CHQ has the potential to cost other pilots their jobs when they undercut others for work (which is something I hope the ALPA Fee for Departure Task Force can help resolve...but I'm not holding my breath).

Those are the issues that I have with the company. Please, point out the inaccuracies in these 3 statements without rambling on into a novel of other BS such as my experience level, personality, and future plans which are irrelevant to what we're talking about.

I'll take on this!!!

3) CHQ doesn't take other pilots jobs.. What it should be doing if forcing other companies to take a look at there business plan and operations. If you are going to make statments like this... point pilots vs pilots, and company vs. company... when you mix them it does not point at the problem directly, but makes it look as though Company vs. Pilot. Which is NOT a true statement.

The sooner us pilots realize this, the sooner we can all work together. As long as we have pilots that blame other pilots for their problems the situation will never find a solution.

This situation is NO different than what is going on at the mainline level. Some companies (SWA) have a better working business model thus are able to take advantage of the market.

Get the point?

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I'll take on this!!!

3) CHQ doesn't take other pilots jobs.. What it should be doing if forcing other companies to take a look at there business plan and operations. If you are going to make statments like this... point pilots vs pilots, and company vs. company... when you mix them it does not point at the problem directly, but makes it look as though Company vs. Pilot. Which is NOT a true statement.

The sooner us pilots realize this, the sooner we can all work together. As long as we have pilots that blame other pilots for their problems the situation will never find a solution.

This situation is NO different than what is going on at the mainline level. Some companies (SWA) have a better working business model thus are able to take advantage of the market.

Get the point?

So you don't agree that regional airlines undercutting each other for work is a problem for us as pilots? Obviously it is if ALPA has taken the initiative to set up a task force for it.

You all don't choose where to fly or who you fly for as pilots. I understand that. The topic of this thread was whether or not XJT and Comair pilots "hate" CHQ pilots. My answer is no, not at all....at least not for me. I wouldn't, however, say that I'm overly enthusiastic about the way their company underbids everyone for work to keep growing.

 

[BlueCanoe]

I've made 3 points since I've started with this thread:

1) CHQ survives by undercutting other airlines for work, as they have lower operating costs.

2) The E170 rates are not up to par with where they should be (you even stated this yourself).

3) CHQ has the potential to cost other pilots their jobs when they undercut others for work (which is something I hope the ALPA Fee for Departure Task Force can help resolve...but I'm not holding my breath).

Those are the issues that I have with the company. Please, point out the inaccuracies in these 3 statements without rambling on into a novel of other BS such as your superior experience level, my "juvenile" personality, and my future career plans which are irrelevant to what we're talking about.

1) This is true, partially. We were not the lowest bidder on CAL flying. End of story. We used to survive, but that's before you were flying airplanes. Now we grow because we have what the market wants at the prices the market wants them. This is the same reason AirTran, SWA, JetBlue, Spirit and others are growing. All that means is that the executive suite is doing its job. However, other airlines like TSA, Great Lakes, Commutair, as examples aren't growing, even though they have the lowest costs.

2) The 170 rates were "up-to-par" when the contract was signed. While we didn't have any airplanes, the rates were industry standard. The standard is now changed and we don't have a chance to renegotiate mid-stream. This is a fact of having a contract. You hedge your bets, then ride them out.

3) As far as losing jobs, it could also be looked at as creating jobs. You can swing it either way. Now that I shot your stealing my XJT job argument into swiss cheese, you are now a purveyor of industry kum-bah-yah. This argument can be made for pilots at any carrier that is growing and increasing market share, while others are downsizing. We're your flavor of the week. Also, if you think ALPA cares 2 rat turds about you, you're nuts. Look at how they negotiate scope clauses at two ALPA carriers. They sacrifice the lower-paid regional pilots by writing scope clauses at mainline to limit your career expectations and income levels. Ask yourself this: "Why didn't ALPA force onelist when CoEx was a wholly-owned?" "Why didn't ALPA force Hensen Aviation, Penn Central and Jetstream (Piedmont, Allegheny and PSA today) on to the Master Seniority List when they became wholly-owned subsidiaries?" "How did the prior two rhetorical questions affect the ability to advance in the careers of those pilots?"

I would like to write shorter posts, but I can't. The amount of knowledge to convey can't be done in 2 sentences. I don't know why I waste my time. No presentation of an abudance of facts is going to change how you think.

Your experience level directly relates to this, because your lack of knowledge on the subject matter is very evident. I don't know very much about how to run an airline, or why they do some dumb stuff they do. What I do know, is that if you don't know what has been done before, you can't use the collective experiences (I usually term this "hangar flying" when I talk about stuff) to make your situation better. Also the fact you know nothing about my company further illustrates why you should stop making statements and further embarassing yourself.

Also the top two major holders of XJT stock are: Continental Retirement Plan and Continental Airlines Inc.

 

[Apache 5]

BlueCanoe-

Your mom is calling you to dinner...

 

[BlueCanoe]

BlueCanoe-

Your mom is calling you to dinner...

Did you realize your buddy has averaged 1.8 posts per day of employment at XJT?

Honestly, I think it's great you have pride in where you work. It's even better when you team up because your buddy from indoc can't formulate an argument.

I have nothing against XJT, I wish you could see that. I just am tired of idiots posting un-informed. It just so happens this friend of yours works for XJT.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Did you realize your buddy has averaged 1.8 posts per day of employment at XJT?

1.66 actually.

I just am tired of idiots posting un-informed.

What you mean is, you're tired of people not sharing your opinion on everything?

 

[SkyBoy1981]

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[Superpilot92]

1.66 actually.



What you mean is, you're tired of people not sharing your opinion on everything?[/quote]

Exactly what I was going to say!!!:beer:

 

[B727FA]

Why was there no statement put out by Teamsters at least condeming the practice of replacing 690 XJT pilots with 690 lower paid Chautauqua new hire pilots?

Because it hasn't happened, a$$clown.

 

[blott]

1.66 actually.

day isn't over yet

 

[Griswold]

who cares, it's not like we have any control over what happens in this regional airline world. Just get your time and get out of the regional ranks and stop bitching about something that you have no control over. Bottom line is the regionals will always be the bitch, whore , whatever you want to call it.

 

[BlueCanoe]

What you mean is, you're tired of people not sharing your opinion on everything?

No, if you backed up ANY post with any FACTS or Figures with numbers I'd be more than willing to listen.

However, as it stands, all your posts contain alot of "I feel...." " I think..." of opinions. I have no problem with that, and I refute them with evidence from history or actual facts.

You can have all the opinions you want. You just need to back them up. You have no substance to your posts, and I am well within justification to respond. I could understand you taking a dislike to us if you LOST airplanes, but that isn't the case. All I can see is you are a group-think band waggoner who is parroting others without any justification in what you say.

I hope your management finds work for all the planes, and XJT does well. I wouldn't even be surprised if you fly for one of our codes.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

a bunch of job stealing EMB 170 wanna be poser FAGS!

Ahhhhhhhhhhh Does your vagina hurt?

So what to say to the I have no clue XJT pilots (if they say they are, this is flightinfo so you can put whatever in your profile and lie about it)

but to the uneducated XJT pilots in here, RAH STOLE YOUR FLYING BIAAAAAAAAAAAAAAATCH

HOW DOES IT FEEL?? Tell me now how do you feel? <cue music> <GUITARS PLAYING by Orgy>

HOW DOES IT FEEL?
TO GET F'ED IN THE A$$?
BY AN E-170 PILOT
AS I ROLE ON PASS.

As FatAlbert would say to yall

MOVE B!TCH, GET OUT DA WAY, GET OUT DA WAY

 

[EMB170Pilot]

You know,

I cant stand the hating in this industry anymore, would you all please stop!

We are all 1 pilot group trying to work for better wages, lets all start acting like it.:beer:

<previous post 100% sarcasm>

all love for Comair and XJT

 

[Alchemy]

Yeah, I pretty much hate chautauqua.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Yeah, I pretty much hate chautauqua.

And we love you too

 

[B727FA]

Yeah, I pretty much hate chautauqua.

That's not what you told me in bed the other night.