Colgan Update!! 1-22-07

[CoolSidePillow]

Sorry you signed on for that. 0 vs. 10, you win.

I dont know what you are talking about. You mentioned how bad PCL 401k is. We have 0 matching so why are you whining to us?
We didnt create your problems
I remember when PCL didnt pay for training or hotels during training. I declined the offer to interview a few years back after I found that out. CJC pilots have nothing to do with PCL pilots. We cant fly for you unless we applied like everyone else. So how are we YOUR problem and tell us how we can help YOU out?

 

[CoolSidePillow]

In case you PCL pilots forgot...... WE were the small company with less planes, routes, pilots, and pay that was bought by YOUR bigger company. WE didnt ask to be bought.

 

[CoATP]

Welcome aboard to "Simply the Best .... but less than average" We are at the "head" of the line ... it's just that everyone else is facing the other way.

 

[suupah]

Welcome aboard to "Simply the Best .... but less than average" We are at the "head" of the line ... it's just that everyone else is facing the other way.

thats funny

 

[Mr Wu]

RedFlyer, how long before you release the details of your new scope clause which limits the size and number of airplanes that Colgan can fly?

 

[redflyer65]

Sorry about the 401k comment. I don't mean to come off as an @ss. I just want the facts straight. I want people to know how bad (and out dated) our contract is. It sounds very similiar to the Colgan work rules unfortunately. That leads me to my real point and the answer to Mr Wu's question.We will attempt to enforce our current scope agreement which will hopefully bring ALL pilots together. We don't want to lock the Colgan pilots out of anything. We want to bring you guys in so we can ALL have a better contract and fly larger equipment.I have not heard one MEC/LEC member or pilot talk about locking the Colgan pilots out of anything. We want the opposite of that. We want to join together.

 

[suupah]

yup, we sound like two sides of the same coin. probably a penny

 

[dingo222]

more like a peso

Mista, mista, please, give me money, please

 

[Prop2Jet]

hahahha

 

[Prop2Jet]

See the attitude at Colgan is much different than most places. We are in and out in about 3 years. We don't care about long term stuff. That has been the Colgan way since it started.

 

[suupah]

See the attitude at Colgan is much different than most places. We are in and out in about 3 years. We don't care about long term stuff. After two years our minds are numb and we no longer know how long we have been here. the majors don't hire us, they rescue us. That has been the Colgan way since it started.

 

[redflyer65]

Double post

 

[TurboAWD]

RedFlyer, how long before you release the details of your new scope clause which limits the size and number of airplanes that Colgan can fly?

That is not a desireble outcome. The seniority lists should be integrated.

Turbo

 

[Mr Wu]

So, would you say it will not be in the forseeable future?

 

[Visceral]

I thought it was interesting during the FAQ review that they mentioned a union. It was something along the lines of "if the pilots choose to have a union, that is their prerogative." With ALPA's regional track record, mgmt probably had to work hard trying not to laugh.

 

[ColganCapt]

That is not a desireble outcome. The seniority lists should be integrated.

Turbo

Sorry, but that's not the plan at all. Until they decide NOT to operate the two airlines separately then the SL's will be separate as well. And as I understand it PAI will fly any new jets and CA will fly any and all turboprops.

 

[TurboAWD]

Sorry, but that's not the plan at all. Until they decide NOT to operate the two airlines separately then the SL's will be separate as well. And as I understand it PAI will fly any new jets and CA will fly any and all turboprops.

First off, I didn't say plan, I said desirable outcome.

Second, that would depend upon if ALPA decides to and successfully argues that the 9E contract requires integration.

As for PAI flying jets/CA on props, they are under no restriction to keep it that way. Hence, major potential for whipsaw.

Turbo

 

[dingo222]

As for PAI flying jets/CA on props, they are under no restriction to keep it that way. Hence, major potential for whipsaw.

Turbo

Potential is everywhere. Most of our planes can't fly your routes. They are either under contract for EAS for that specific airframe type, or just too damn old/slow/small to do some of the flying you guys do. An RJ would only fit on maybe 5 of our routes and actually turn a profit. I'm not debating ya, just gettin that out there. I've decided to stay out of this FI debate for a bit.

If PT switches up the A/C types, he'd have one hell of a mess on his hands. A saab would have to make 2 stops between FLL and say Indy. An RJ from CHO to IAD wouldn't make a dime if it was more full than a public bus in India. And all of that happens before both pilot groups go nuts

 

[suupah]

Second, that would depend upon if ALPA decides to and successfully argues that the 9E contract requires integration.

Doesn't sound likely.

The uncertainty mixed with complete distrust of managements motives sucks for you guys. and us.

 

[TurboAWD]

Potential is everywhere. Most of our planes can't fly your routes.

Your current planes. So, Phil says, "Colgan pilots will fly the CRJ900 aircraft cheaper than PNCL pilots, so they get the new CR900 aircraft we are going to be flying for DELTA airlines)". And then, a few years later, he says "PNCL pilots will fly the EMB190 airplane cheaper than Colgan pilots, so they get the new aircraft for Continental airlines". Then we both lose. And so do pilots at other airlines (including "The Majors").

Turbo
Edited to plain english for pilots that don't like algebra