Colgan pilot a terrorist!!!

[OnTheRocks]

Gotta love a pullstart

 

[ackattacker]

So is he the actual person on the list or is it just someone that shares his name?

Since he is the one taking the government to court to get his name off the list, then HE needs to prove his case. He isn't being charged with anything, like you said, HE is charging the government with something and now the burden of proof is for him to prove that he was wrongfully put on the list. The only way to do that would be to prove why he isn't a terrorist. This time the government is "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY".

I hope you take some time and think through what you just said.

Now, what you just said IS accurate in the sense that that is exactly what he needs to do under the current system. But consider whether this makes any rational sense.

It is utterly impossible to prove oneself innocent when you are not actually being accused of anything. In this case the government has targeted him for detention and harassment by placing his name on a "secret" list for "secret" reasons. Depriving him of several of his basic rights without actually accusing him of ANYTHING.

In theory he could be on this list because of his wife. Or because of something he did. Or because his name is similar to someone else's. Or because he pissed of a TSA agent once. Who knows? It's secret! Even the fact that he's ON the list is secret.

Now, it's his job to prove himself innocent of... something! or, everything?

Good luck to him!

 

[pilotdiscretion]

Recently a mid level TSA employee who worked in their mothership decided to make some positive changes to aviation security. In his quest he decided that the best way to get things done was to quite TSA and go work for ALPA.

Reason #568 to vote ALPA at Colgan. They have security experts on staff who know how to navigate the stupidity of the TSA.

 

[PCL_128]

Some of the responses in support of DHS on this thread are just reprehensible. Thomas Jefferson would be ashamed of the country that he helped create.

 

[WAZUP]

Best quote thus far! :beer:

WORD!

 

[temcgrew]

I hope you take some time and think through what you just said.

Now, what you just said IS accurate in the sense that that is exactly what he needs to do under the current system. But consider whether this makes any rational sense.

It is utterly impossible to prove oneself innocent when you are not actually being accused of anything. In this case the government has targeted him for detention and harassment by placing his name on a "secret" list for "secret" reasons. Depriving him of several of his basic rights without actually accusing him of ANYTHING.

In theory he could be on this list because of his wife. Or because of something he did. Or because his name is similar to someone else's. Or because he pissed of a TSA agent once. Who knows? It's secret! Even the fact that he's ON the list is secret.

Now, it's his job to prove himself innocent of... something! or, everything?

Good luck to him!

I know it is crazy to think about, but how does a felon who does the time, get out of jail and have to prove that he should have his civil rights back? Can he stand in front of a panel and say, I'll never sell crack again? How do you convince a panel that you are no longer a threat?

This guys is in a similar boat and although it sounds tough, he could take some reasonable steps to help his case through. Especially if in front of a jury, he could come out looking squeeky clean. I would recommend that he shaved his beard and maybe let his wife go on a vacation until the trial is over.

BTW, what can a court do for him if he is found innocent? Can they force the DHS or the FBI to take him off the list? It will be a really interesting trial to look into as it unfolds.

 

[flynryan15]

I know it is crazy to think about, but how does a felon who does the time, get out of jail and have to prove that he should have his civil rights back? Can he stand in front of a panel and say, I'll never sell crack again? How do you convince a panel that you are no longer a threat?

This guys is in a similar boat and although it sounds tough, he could take some reasonable steps to help his case through. Especially if in front of a jury, he could come out looking squeeky clean. I would recommend that he shaved his beard and maybe let his wife go on a vacation until the trial is over.

BTW, what can a court do for him if he is found innocent? Can they force the DHS or the FBI to take him off the list? It will be a really interesting trial to look into as it unfolds.

No kidding he wouldn't interview at an airline like that. So why goto court trying to get your job back looking like that.

 

[temcgrew]

Some of the responses in support of DHS on this thread are just reprehensible. Thomas Jefferson would be ashamed of the country that he helped create.

Would Jefferson be ashamed of the Union mentality in this country as well? No concessions? Break it down and the Union mentality is very far removed from individual rights of life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.

Wait, I know, things have changed and necessary steps have been taken to keep our rights in place. Unions help keep buisnesses from taking advantage of us in a world that has changed alot from Jefferson's time.

This thread is on a cliff of a very deep discussion into individual rights vs. federal protection of our country.

Althought I don't like the expression, but this case....IS WHAT IT IS. Sorry that he has to go thru the trial, a job loss, and don't forget that he wakes up next to that woman EVERY DAY!! Would you be grinning like that? I don't think so!!!!

 

[PCL_128]

The right to peaceably assemble is the part of the constitution that gives us the right to organize our unions to defend ourselves. Since Jefferson believed large corporations were dangerous and he viewed individual citizens farmers as being the gold standard of morality, I think he'd be quite proud of a country that has protected the rights of the "little guy." Unfortunately, those protections have been disappearing under this corrupt administration and several of the previous ones in the last century.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

It's not against the law to be Muslim.

Unfortunately about 5% of this population knows this...

:sigh:

 

[WSurf]

The right to peaceably assemble is the part of the constitution that gives us the right to organize our unions to defend ourselves. Since Jefferson believed large corporations were dangerous and he viewed individual citizens farmers as being the gold standard of morality, I think he'd be quite proud of a country that has protected the rights of the "little guy." Unfortunately, those protections have been disappearing under this corrupt administration and several of the previous ones in the last century.

Yea, and Jefferson Loved the French too!!! Booooooo

 

[Captain Morgan]

Honestly I could careless if he worships Peter Pan!!!

You mean this guy!? Actually, I think I saw him manning an X-ray machine last weekend!

http://pixyland.org/peterpan/

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

In a Middle Eastern, Guttural scream..."LALALALALALALLALALLALALALALA"....

 

[aveator]

Roflmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[temcgrew]

The right to peaceably assemble is the part of the constitution that gives us the right to organize our unions to defend ourselves. Since Jefferson believed large corporations were dangerous and he viewed individual citizens farmers as being the gold standard of morality, I think he'd be quite proud of a country that has protected the rights of the "little guy." Unfortunately, those protections have been disappearing under this corrupt administration and several of the previous ones in the last century.

I think you are presuming a little much with his ideas of "protection" from big buisness. Monopoly capitalism can has in the past forced workers to be slaves in a sense that they were not allowed to vote unless they went along with the opinions of the factory They were kept dependent on the company and had no political power. I can see your point but we still have the right to pursue other employment if we wish. We do have anti-monopoly laws that keep buisness from becoming to big and have to much control. Again this is a whole nother thread for another day.

 

[Raskal]

... If HE is the guy that was put on the list then HE needs to prove why he shouldn't be on it....

I understand, I think, what you're trying to get at. At the same time the above statement is absolutely nuts. First, you can't prove a negative. Second, the DHS won't even admit he's on the list and won't admit the reason (under the guise of national security of course). Without even knowing those two simple things how are you supposed to prove anything when you have no idea what the argument is?

The 'list' is another pathetic attempt making people feel like they're safe when, in reality, they are not. As a country we need to make a decision whether to live in a free society and accept the risks that come with that much personal liberty or decide freedom simply isn't worth the risk, hole up and accept some other form of government-something we are well on the way to doing.

 

[Snaab]

I don't know all the in's and out's of this guy's deal, but I heard that Colgan has been dealing with this guy in court for a while. He was fired a while back for job performance or something like that, and then pulled the whole race/religion card when he got canned.. He went berzerk trying to sue the pants of Colgan. Luckily it appears he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

A Captain mentioned this story to me during a flight a while back and that's what I can recall....

-Snaab

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Yep your completely right!!!!!!

Oh I should probably tell you I was being sarcastic with my comment, seeing as your a fracking knuckle dragging moron you probably wouldn't see the sarcasm.

See below:

I don't know all the in's and out's of this guy's deal, but I heard that Colgan has been dealing with this guy in court for a while. He was fired a while back for job performance or something like that, and then pulled the whole race/religion card when he got canned.. He went berzerk trying to sue the pants of Colgan. Luckily it appears he doesn't have a leg to stand on.

A Captain mentioned this story to me during a flight a while back and that's what I can recall....

-Snaab

Hey Maxpowers.... maybe you're the knuckle dragger. You should shut your pie hole if you dont know the facts.

 

[johndog]

Unbelievably childish and immature comments to a serious issue. And you are calling yourself airline pilots? Ha!

It is important for Regional airline Pilots to use the word Regional when using the title Airline Pilot. Regional airline Pilot means;
x-waiter,cash register operator,any 9.00 an hour job you can think of. And this is how many of them act on this forum. No sense of professionalism, no courtesy to other pilot groups. I'm embarrassed to be a REGIONAL Airline Pilot -often.

I was trying to think why Airlines prefer the military guy to the civilian. We are the ones with all the real world experience. But he's a professional individual, he can be taught the airline system. We are often what you see posted on this board.....I don't know if proffesionalism can be taught.

The word REGIONAL is a euphemism for unprofessional.
Sorry, I call it like I see it.

 

[Jet41]

The government put him on that list for good reason. I trust that.

Kinda like all those WMD's!