CO class breakdown

[mckpickle]

No No No No.....a CAL managements' son is in the new hire class.

 

[white E]

So you are telling me that if you had a connection at 24 years old at a Major airline you wouldn't have taken the job? What really makes a person qualified to fly 121? Is it the demanding instrument approach? How about an instrument approach with en EP? I have argued that qualifications are not only determined by your total flight time. In fact it could hurt you becasue of this thing called complacency. (kind of like my spelling) I am not a company man, I think drive plane, collect check, but if I was on a hring board and found that there is a young qualified person for the job who impressed me during an interview, than I would hire him. This thread surprised me at the bitching of not getting the job yet or an interview. Most pilots I know are self made, including myself. Get over the fact that other people were hired and they are going to be senior to you at CAL forever. -W-

 

[RichardFitzwell]

A new class starts today at CAL (June 14th) with 12 new hires. The next two classes will be on the June 21st with 16 and on the 28th with 20.

FWIW - The youngest in today's class is also 24. The youngest in the 21st and 28th classes are as old as 25 (if you can believe that?).

 

[capt. megadeth]

In our letters stating that we were hired it said to be eligable for CO employment we must remain employees of Express Jet.

Ok, but unless CAL is your dream job, how would they know if you applied somewhere else? In the mean time, you may have found something better and now you wouldn't care who CAL hired, know what I mean? I love how employers expect loyalty but give none in return. What a crock!
In any case, good luck.

 

[capt. megadeth]

So you are telling me that if you had a connection at 24 years old at a Major airline you wouldn't have taken the job? What really makes a person qualified to fly 121? Is it the demanding instrument approach? How about an instrument approach with en EP? I have argued that qualifications are not only determined by your total flight time. In fact it could hurt you becasue of this thing called complacency. (kind of like my spelling) I am not a company man, I think drive plane, collect check, but if I was on a hring board and found that there is a young qualified person for the job who impressed me during an interview, than I would hire him. This thread surprised me at the bitching of not getting the job yet or an interview. Most pilots I know are self made, including myself. Get over the fact that other people were hired and they are going to be senior to you at CAL forever. -W-

I just love how some of you are defending this person, but if he was a she you all would be freaking out! The thread would go something like this:

"All you need is boobs to get hired at a major these days"

 

[RichardFitzwell]

I just love how some of you are defending this person, but if he was a she you all would be freaking out! The thread would go something like this:

"All you need is boobs to get hired at a major these days"

Your cute!

 

[PCL_128]

The 24 y/o in class right now is the son of the asst. chief pilot out in IAH that was a SCAB back in '83. He was a check airman at Gulfstream before getting the class at CAL. He was at GIA for about 3.5 or 4 years and was a flight instructor before that. Had his dad not been a CAL SCAB then he never would have made check airman at GIA (where the owner is an EAL SCAB) and he never would have gotten the job at CAL.

 

[mckpickle]

Ok, but unless CAL is your dream job, how would they know if you applied somewhere else? In the mean time, you may have found something better and now you wouldn't care who CAL hired, know what I mean? I love how employers expect loyalty but give none in return. What a crock!
In any case, good luck.

In the last 2 1/2 years who, better than CAL, was hiring? Southwest maybe...by why go and buy a type if you weren't sure you were going to use it.


Guys The only reason I bring up the experience level is that "experience" was thrown in our faces as a reason that they were going to hire other pilots and place them on the seniority list prior to the Express Pilots they hired over 2 years ago. They told us they were going to hire many of the ATA pilots and since they hade more experience than us they would get jobs first.

In the first class I saw ONE ATA pilot.

This is why I've raised the BS flag.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

"All you need is boobs to get hired at a major these days"

Does that include man boobs???

My wife and I have an ongoing bet to see whose boobs will reach their beltline first. Too close to call right now!

GP

 

[BlondAmbition]

I know for a fact that the 24 year old that was hired is indeed female. LOL!

 

[Waborita]

Right. Why work your butt off when you can have Daddy get you a job?

Better yet, you could go steal somebody's job out from under them while they're trying to make it better.

JUST LIKE BUSH TWICE!

 

[Waborita]

I know for a fact that the 24 year old that was hired is indeed female. LOL!

Thank god because I would much rather stare at her then man boobs!

 

[Cardinal]

A 24 year old can realistically have a degree, 9 years of flying under their belt, 6 of those years in a professional capacity, and 1000 Turbine PIC. I fail to see the problem.

 

[COpilot]

This weeks class,

TWA
ANG (2)
Ryan
XJT (2)
Polar
Mesa
ACA
Pacific Jet
Horshan Valley Airways

DOB's 66-'80

 

[mckpickle]

A 24 year old can realistically have a degree, 9 years of flying under their belt, 6 of those years in a professional capacity, and 1000 Turbine PIC. I fail to see the problem.

The freakin point is they were hired because their daddy is in the chief pilots office. But the 200 people that CAL hired (2 1/2 years ago)AND RESTRICTED from taking employment elsewhere will be junior in seniority to this guy.

 

[Jetjockey]

Aside from who's son or daugter is in class, how does CO determine senority for a class drop? I think I remember hearing it's age.

 

[WMUSIGPI]

No offense but if you take any "commitment" that an airline makes at face value, you are nuts. I am on your side. If a co. makes a commitment, they should honor it. Unfortunately, many airlines have shown that they do not care about their employees or what they think. Look at USAirways, United, etc. Look at the commitments made and promises broken. Not only that, but if you have all this great experience you speak of, you probably could have gotten a job somewhere else already. How would CAL know if you applied anywhere else?

Easy they will get the PRIA form. They will know you are looking for other work... OR the CP could be at recurrent training at the same place the airline you are interviewing at is and walk in for class the same time you are sitting in the lobby waiting for the interview to start.... Yea that was me and yea it was an awkward moment.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

A 24 year old can realistically have a degree, 9 years of flying under their belt, 6 of those years in a professional capacity, and 1000 Turbine PIC. I fail to see the problem.

I was wondering something similar, but I came up with this...

Graduate High School at 18, go to college for 4 years, and is now 22 years old. Let's say they start flying right out of college, then this leaves them with 2 years to build their hours (Part 121 or 135).

Does CAL require a 4-year degree?

Obviously connections are a key to this industry. Sure wish I was 24 and starting at a major. Oh well, c'est la vie.

 

[SuperFLUF]

Aside from who's son or daugter is in class, how does CO determine senority for a class drop? I think I remember hearing it's age.

Seniority within the classes is determined by age.

 

[GogglesPisano]

Jealousy?

I only wish I had the good sense to be born the son of a CAL management pilot. Only a fool would knowingly finance college and flight training by himself and work his way through up the industry ladder when opportunities like this are available.

 

[ThisistheDream]

i would bet that any new hire at CAL WHO IS 24 today will also retire at CAL in the top 5 of the seniority list, if CAL is still around in 36 years. this is not the only industry or way of life where having a connection or dad or mom in a place where they can help you out. we all have some friends that have had a easier way to where they are now, whether its becuase they had college paided for, got a great job working in dads law firm making great money to start 1 month after school or getting hired at CAL at 24. Not everyone who wants to fly for CAL or NWA or FEDEX will get thier wish, maybe you will get hired at ALaska Etc. Who said that life has to be eqaul and fair, life is life, you have your health have a job you enjoy so be happy with what you have work hard and you will eventually get what you want.

 

[Guam360]

other than the 24 year old, are any of these people hired off the street, been hired without a 4 year degree????????

please, does anyone know?????

87 credit hours.............!

 

[jtslc]

They Took Our Jobs!

Right. Why work your butt off when you can have Daddy get you a job?

Better yet, you could go steal somebody's job out from under them while they're trying to make it better.

http://images.southparkstudios.com/media/sounds/806/THEYTOOKOURJOBS3.wav

 

[Cardinal]

I was wondering something similar, but I came up with this...

Graduate High School at 18, go to college for 4 years, and is now 22 years old. Let's say they start flying right out of college, then this leaves them with 2 years to build their hours (Part 121 or 135).

Go to college for 2 years, that leaves 4 years for Part 121 while working on a distance learning degree in the same time table.

 

[johnny taliban]

I just finished reading every single post (54 for those of you counting) and nobody was able to answer the second posters question. Does anyone know what the competitive qualifications were for those hired????

Apologies to all for rehijacking the thread ,

Johnny

 

[TriJet]

Here's the quals:

None were Talibans.

 

[IHaveAPension]

The freakin point is they were hired because their daddy is in the chief pilots office. But the 200 people that CAL hired (2 1/2 years ago)AND RESTRICTED from taking employment elsewhere will be junior in seniority to this guy.

Sucks to be you dude.

 

[erjdude]

The freakin point is they were hired because their daddy is in the chief pilots office. But the 200 people that CAL hired (2 1/2 years ago)AND RESTRICTED from taking employment elsewhere will be junior in seniority to this guy.

I have one of those infemouse letters you speek of. I know for a FACT you were not RESTRICTEDf rom leaving. How do I know? Take a geuss.

You did not want to give up a sure thing even though you knew or should have smart enough to know the pigs would not be brought over all at once.

By the way no where in the letter did it say that all pigs would be brought over all at once before newhires.

 

[Bad-Andy]

Dang, erjdude. I can't believe you leaked it, on a crackpipe of all places... Does this mean I'm free to talk about it now??? Call me Tuesday evening (I'm back in MIA).

 

[erjdude]

Dang, erjdude. I can't believe you leaked it, on a crackpipe of all places... Does this mean I'm free to talk about it now??? Call me Tuesday evening (I'm back in MIA).

Leaked what? Are you saying that a person who was FORMERLY a PIG might be able to get hired at CAL from another CO(not exjet)? I think its possible.

All I did was bust Steves chops for trying to impli he could not take outside employment due to the letter. When in reality he didnt want to take the risk.