CMR President's Message - Paycuts anyone?

[shaq]

It may be time for every one to get their reumes out. I will not give one red dime. This is a ploy by Delta. Our CASM are already lower than SKY, and they fly 70 seat aircraft for less than we fly 50 seaters. And on top of that, we give them a check every quarter, the profits are theirs. Sky and chawaw don't do that.


Since our cost are the lowest, we should all collectively tell them where to go.

I have been at Comair 10 years and I will go some where else if I have to.

And by the way, this ALL can be traced back to the spineless pilots of mesa, chawawa, and skywest. Thanx guys and gals. What a bunch of losers.

That's all I got to say about thAT.

They can kiss my arse.

Aah, the 'ol standby... Blame CHQ and MESA.

EVERYTHING'S their fault...

"They're spineless, cowards, wimps, gutless wonders, etc... etc..." Hate to tell the crowd this, but this line is starting to sound like a broken record... Come up with something new. Maybe try blaming management...

 

[gordon24]

September 3, 2004

As a company, we can not ask efficient, cost competitive areas of our operation to subsidize non-competitive areas and expect long-term success.


Anybody need an interpreter?

DDpaysoff...you know where I'm going, dude! I'm getting off this ride!

See ya!

 

[Rogue5]

And by the way, this ALL can be traced back to the spineless pilots of mesa, chawawa, and skywest. Thanx guys and gals. What a bunch of losers.

That's all I got to say about thAT.

They can kiss my arse.

The sad but true reality of the situation is that this is a classic example of free market capitalism in an unregulated supply vs. demand world. Comair struck and negotiated its contract at the height of late 90's boom economy. Delta learned from it. The sent their "regional" feeds into each others home hubs to induce competition and never allow a single feed to shut down operations at a hub.

Now here comes 9/11, the bubble bursts, specifically for aviation. Regional feeds no longer have a leg to stand on dictating any kind of terms to the major partners.

DCI companies must competitively bid or get shut out of the new flying being awarded.

I'm sure it is nice to look at yourself and your Comair wings in the mirror and think your $hit doesn't stink, but in the next round DAL will come to you looking for concessions, and unfortunately, this is not the same economic environment you guys were in last time.

The economy dictates the options you will have available to you when you sit across the table from DAL. Do you honestly think you are above anyone else trying to make a paycheck when you have majors dropping like flies and thousands of pilots out of work? This is the new reality of increased efficiency/lower costs business everywhere these days. This, combined with the implied support of a very anti-union administration (see how the TSA bill was hung up for weeks regarding their ability to unionize), makes me believe the next few rounds of contract negotiations will be far more painful for all involved...

 

[bvt1151]

DCI companies must competitively bid or get shut out of the new flying being awarded.

Comair has the lowest CASM in the DCI family.

Source: Aviation Week & CHQ cert of public necessity request.

Just a little something many people tend to forget. This even pre-empts the thin argument that Delta subsidizes DCI flying, since these numbers compare airlines within DCI.

 

[drag]

Perhaps it's time for DAL to dump the DCI family. Spin it off and contract out to the lowest bidder. Isn't that already happening at MCO w/ CHQ? It's just business.

 

[FDJ2]

Comair has the lowest CASM in the DCI family.

Those numbers can change with the stroke of a pen.

 

[atrdriver]

This, combined with the implied support of a very anti-union administration (see how the TSA bill was hung up for weeks regarding their ability to unionize),

The worry about the TSA unionizing wasn't about them being union, it was about them being able to fire someone who wasn't doing their jobs, or was incompetent. The fear was that if someone was screwing up in an "important" job like security screening that a union would protect them and not allow them to be fired, just like the other federal unions. That fear would have been felt no matter who was in the White House. As it turns out, they aren't trying to get rid of incompetent people, so it really didn't matter in the end.

atrdriver

 

[Rogue5]

The worry about the TSA unionizing wasn't about them being union, it was about them being able to fire someone who wasn't doing their jobs, or was incompetent.

There are many in the business world who feel this is exactly the same situation with the airlines. I guess it is a matter of perspective...

 

[bvt1151]

Those numbers can change with the stroke of a pen.

Incorrect. But we've already established your incapacity for this knowledge and I'm not interested in posting in circles with you again.

 

[Heavy Set]

Quid Pro Quo - Give and Take....

It's called Quid Pro Quo. If you want growth and faster upgrade opportunities, THEN you need to give something back (pay to fund the growth and maintain the margin). Give and take vs. take and take and take....

Of course, DAL mainline pilots will have to ensure scope is not violated and that the furlougees are taken care of (you can't forget the furloughees - many of whom have been out of work for years....).

 

[FDJ2]

Incorrect. But we've already established your incapacity for this knowledge and I'm not interested in posting in circles with you again.

The only incapacity is your incapacity to see world as it truly is. You'll learn.

 

[JECKEL]

FDJ2,

You are an idiot! You are one of those who think Comair is only profitable because Delta ALLOWS it to be profitable on the backs of mainline.

Comair made enormous monies before the buyout and they continue to bring it in today. No stroke of a pen did that my friend.

It's your world that is in question.

 

[contract2002]

It's called Quid Pro Quo. If you want growth and faster upgrade opportunities, THEN you need to give something back (pay to fund the growth and maintain the margin). Give and take vs. take and take and take....

This is complete B.S.

In December of 1998, many XJT pilots recieved nearly a 100% pay rate increase AND subsequent new hires were Captains within 1 - 2 years.

You get an "F" for Econ 101 this semester.

 

[FDJ2]

FDJ2,

You are an idiot! You are one of those who think Comair is only profitable because Delta ALLOWS it to be profitable on the backs of mainline.

Comair made enormous monies before the buyout and they continue to bring it in today. No stroke of a pen did that my friend.

Jeckel, CMR made money based on a lucrative contract with DAL flying DL code passengers, once the contract was up for renewal there was no way DAL was going to give CMR that lucrative contract again. You weren't making money on the passengers you flew, you were making money on the cash DAL paid you to fly those passengers. CMR faced three options, 1. go it alone, 2. become an independent small jet provider, or 3. become a wholly owned small jet provider. Your management team wisely chose option number three. Going it alone was viewed by your management team as way too risky and option two meant the end of double digit margins, since CMR would have to compete against a growing number of small jet providers. CMR has benefitted greatly since your acquisition, experiencing 85% growth in 5 years.

Today, CMR costs are what DAL says they are and they are mostly, as the DAL CFO stated, just direct operating costs. Likewise, CMR revenue is whatever DAL wants it to be. No one buys a CMR ticket. CMR's revenue per flight is not determined by the price of the passengers ticket, or the revenue that flight produces for DAL, CMR's revenue is whatever DAL compensates CMR to perform that flight, regardless of whether or not DAL makes money on that flight.

You see Jeckel, once you understand the nature of the relationship between a wholly owned small jet provider and its parent company, you begin to understand that both your revenue and your costs are determined by the parent.

 

[Heavy Set]

This is complete B.S.

In December of 1998, many XJT pilots recieved nearly a 100% pay rate increase AND subsequent new hires were Captains within 1 - 2 years.

You get an "F" for Econ 101 this semester.

Hey Contract,

Let's see who's correct after Comair pilots take a paycut. Comair pilots see the writing on the wall - either you reduce your wages OR more flying will be contracted out to your buddies at lower-cost CHQ (or potentially Mesa or others). You are in denial if you don't see that. The cost-cutting tidal wave is approaching the industry as a whole and Comair/ASA are not immune. I don't know why Comair pilots think they are immune to cost-cutting changes in the industry (do you think you are not a target on the radar? You're wrong so long as Mesa pays its CRJ pilots so much less).... Pure arrogance.

Maybe you like the 8-10 year upgrades? If Comair wants to see any growth, its cost will need to be reduced to more competitive levels - or that growth will go elsewhere... Sad but true...