CMR President's Message - Paycuts anyone?

[Vortilon]

Surplus,

Remember, don't post angry! You're losing the calm perspective you normally show.

BTW, don't diss the Delta pilot uniform...its one of the last connections to a better time left in this business.

 

[737 Pylt]

Duane is not a DAL pilot, but perhaps you could post his comments regardless. It might be interesting.

Yeah, but it makes for a nice rjdc spin!
737

 

[michael707767]

Contract 96 specifically allowed 20 BAE 146s, not 120 seats in general. Would you feel whole if you got the right to fly those 20 BAE 146s back again?

don't confuse him with the facts.

 

[FDJ2]

don't confuse him with the facts.

Hey if there weren't facts, what would the RJDC have to twist and distort?

 

[surfwidget1]

Surplus,

Don't let people "drag" you down. You may be getting a bit sensitive due to the current state of affairs.
In your bosses letter to the troops a few days ago, he alluded to CMR's relationship with DAL as a partnership. Would'nt you agree that it's more like a father son relationship? I'm a bit concerned for the well being of the offspring at this point, and it seems as though you may be showing some strain from the looks of some past postings.
Incidentally, Daddy indirectly did fund your growth by giving you handouts in the 90's.
Unfortunately, because of a bad upbringing, the offspring are a bit unprepared to deal with real life issues and are now about to face a few seasons of reckoning.
I really wish the the folks at CMR the best, although, I'm a betting man and thus won't be placing a single dime on the come for your sake. I feel the odds are against CMR and the dice of what goes around comes around are getting ready to crap on your parade.

 

[surplus1]

Surplus,

Remember, don't post angry! You're losing the calm perspective you normally show.

Thanks, that's good advice and I'll try to follow it. I confess to being totally human and sometimes I do let the supersilious and condesending SOB's rile my 1/4th Irish. From time to time, some people have to be told to shove it. That's all they understand.

BTW, don't diss the Delta pilot uniform...its one of the last connections to a better time left in this business.

Fair enough. I'll retract the double-breasted pun, but the tacky brass really needs to go back to its former status.

 

[N2264J]

Re: CMR President's Message...

Would'nt you agree that it's more like a father son relationship? I'm a bit concerned for the well being of the offspring at this point...Incidentally, Daddy indirectly did fund your growth by giving you handouts in the 90's. Unfortunately, because of a bad upbringing, the offspring are a bit unprepared to deal with real life issues and are now about to face a few seasons of reckoning.

Let me tell you a story, you arrogant rube.

Comair was shopping for an airline when Delta bought us and this isn't the one about Spirit or Air Tran either. The cost-plus-10% code share deal Delta was offering was unacceptable so Comair set about to go it alone and crunched the numbers on TWA, Alaska, America West and Midwest Express. They estimated it would take about 5 years to get the stock price back up to where it was - mid $30s.

At the time, Comair was poised on the threshold of becoming the 11th major airline in the country (1 billion in revenue-according to the DOT), our market capitalization was greater than Northwest and more than Alaska and America West combined, we had a bunch of money in the bank, no debt, and lending institutions were thrilled at the prospect of Comair borrowing their money.

When Delta found out Comair was shopping, they moved quickly to close the deal in a hostile take over that was sold to the shareholders as amicable. It was the largest airline buyout in history. You see, our Cincinnati product was so important to Delta, they could not live without it. To this day, Comair is Delta Air Lines best asset. So save your condescending "Daddy/offspring/bad upbringing" lectures for home. Delta pilots who dismissively talk down their long noses at us about career expectations and your implied subservient swill, really have no idea how insulting they are.

 

[surplus1]

Surplus,

Don't let people "drag" you down. You may be getting a bit sensitive due to the current state of affairs.

Fear not Surfwidget1, there is little chance of my being draged down by folks with little sense of reality. I confess that I have always been sensitive to the the insensitive and especially the ludicrous but I don't let it get to me where it hurts. The current state of affairs really has nothing to do with it.

In your bosses letter to the troops a few days ago, he alluded to CMR's relationship with DAL as a partnership. Would'nt you agree that it's more like a father son relationship? I'm a bit concerned for the well being of the offspring at this point, and it seems as though you may be showing some strain from the looks of some past postings.

My boss's reference to a "partnership" that does not exist was taken for what it is, meaningless rhetoric. We are a subsidiary, not a partner. The partnership ended in early 2000 and so did the airline known as Comair. While the name has been retained as a "flag of convenience" it is truly irrelevant. I accept that.

No, I wouldn't agree that there is a father-son relationship. We have passed from the status of bastard step-child to that of indentured servant. I didn't like it when it happened but that was four years ago and I have long since accepted the reality of what is. We lost our identity but like all slaves, love for one's master is feigned.

Being one of the servants/slaves, I share your 'concern' for our well being. However, the truth is I regard your expression of concer for us as phony. Nevertheless, slaves and servants alike are always affected adversely by the ineptitude and failures of their masters. If I demonstrate the "drag" to which you referred earlier or the "strain" you mention in this paragraph, it comes not from the remarks of your peer but from the frustrations of being "owned" by a company that can't run itself, let alone its subsidiaries.

Incidentally, Daddy indirectly did fund your growth by giving you handouts in the 90's.

Perhaps if you care to outline "daddy's" contributions or handouts as you call them, whether direct or indirect, I would comment. I can't respond to inuendo for it has no meaning.

Unfortunately, because of a bad upbringing, the offspring are a bit unprepared to deal with real life issues and are now about to face a few seasons of reckoning.

Since you enjoy reference to your paternal status, keep in mind that bad upbringings are sourced in bad parenting. Do not blame errant offspring for the transgressions of their parents. We will manage to deal with our seasons of reckoning and whatever crisis our parent's failure next produces. Remember, we are not members of the family, which means that we do not always have to wear your moccasins. I only hope that the true "sons" of the disfunctional family can survive their own dose of reality with equal aplomb. There's a lot of truth in the saying "the bigger they are the harder they fall."

I really wish the the folks at CMR the best, although, I'm a betting man and thus won't be placing a single dime on the come for your sake. I feel the odds are against CMR and the dice of what goes around comes around are getting ready to crap on your parade.

Thanks for the good wishes, even though they appear to be disengenuous I'll take them at face value. I'm not a gambler so I won't be making any bets either. It is true that a lot of rain may well fall on our parade so we'll have to don the raincoats and make the best of it.

Since you're the "father's" natural born I'll leave you with this enjoinder ..... "Drop that cross one more time and you'll be out of the parade." The winds of fortune tell me that you just may not be that 'city on the hill' that you've believed you were for so long.

Perhaps we are not birds of a feather but right now we're both sitting on the same precarious perch. When the "bough breaks" we shall both have to fly. Here's hoping you're not so heavy that you can't find a new perch that can carry your weight. As the lightweights in this flock, we can find a resting place on most any branch and we're good flyers too. After the storm we can also survive on slimmer pickings.

Crowing roosters attract hens but, they also attract farmers with sharp hatchets.

Regards

 

[FDJ2]

Let me tell you a story, you arrogant rube.

Comair was shopping for an airline when Delta bought us.......

they moved quickly to close the deal in a hostile take over that was sold to the shareholders as amicable.

Why didn't COMAIR go independent if it was a power house of an airline in its own right? Could it be that Comair was dependent on a generous DAL contract and without that mothers milk from Momma Delta Comair's future was very uncertain?

Hostile takeover??? What a joke, your co founder and your CEO referred to the acquisition as a "win-win" and a "strengthening of our partnership". Hardly "hostile".

You need to get off that RJDC revisionist history bunk, it's making you dillussional.

 

[surplus1]

Why didn't COMAIR go independent if it was a power house of an airline in its own right?

Comair didn't go independent because its Chairman was a coward who, like your chief, "took his money and ran". He and the other executives all belong to the same "club" that your executives belong to. The fact is they don't give a hoot about the "shareholders" or the employees. They feather their own nests, then walk away from the ashes to live happily ever after while the shareholders and the employees suffer the consequences of the skulduggery. The Company did have a chance to become independent but they blew it and took the pieces of eight for themselves.

Hostile takeover??? What a joke, your co founder and your CEO referred to the acquisition as a "win-win" and a "strengthening of our partnership". Hardly "hostile".[/qoute]

Apparently you have a pronounced tendency to swallow the rhetoric of corporate executives when it suits your purposes and affects others. Why don't you swallow the pronouncements of your own executives today? Probably because YOU are the one that's going to suffer the consequences of their poor decision making. You have a double standard FDJ2, and a habit of playing both sides of the coin in your personal interest -- much like the executives that are about to screw both you and your peers (and probably us, by osmosis, as well). You should be in management.

Our executives of yester-year made a bad decision that resulted in your company being able to destroy our company and its future, but in the process they made dam*ned certain that they protected themselves. Then they issued the standard "feel good" press releases that you choose to swallow.

Today your executives are on the brink of completing the destruction of your company, and in the final analysis you will help them to do it. Allen got his, Mullin got his and the executive de jeur will do the same (not to mention the others that walked away). You and the other 60,000 plus Delta employees will pay the remaining price (the shareholders have already lost their arms and legs). The "win-win" press releases and executive speeches have already begun as they prepare to take a billion dollars from you in round one.

I hope you can find solace through the knowledge that their actions are "hardly hostile". Just as they were not hostile at Eastern, PanAm, TWA, United, American or USAir or the much more simple takeover of Comair.

See ya in airline paradise.