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[wacoflyr]

When you see that little "could not duplicate" written and signed off by the mechanic in the logbook?

That means the pilot was wrong, the airplane wasn't broken, and he just wasted a whole lot of time.

Over the years, B19, I have agreed with you on some stuff. Even against the majority here. But this is just flat wrong. Things happen in the air that cannot be duplicated on the ground. When mechanics ignore this reality, they waste time, not us. And frequently, faults are intermittent. But you must know all this. So what the hell?

 

[imacdog]

Just think Waco, you could be working for this guy.

 

[UAL-GSO]

No, they don't. Pilots only get to detirmine if there is something that they THINK may be not work as advertised.

When you see that little "could not duplicate" written and signed off by the mechanic in the logbook?

That means the pilot was wrong, the airplane wasn't broken, and he just wasted a whole lot of time.

Your post about integrity and character is dead-on accurate. I really hope you were joking with the above post, though. If not, you have no business being anywhere near an airplane.

 

[Chairman]

Just write "Uncommanded in Flight" along with your write up. It can't be cleared as could not duplicate with out a test flight

 

[OHGOON]

Hey B19,

Really would like to "detirmine" what is wrong with you too?

First though, I'll leave it to you to figure out what is wrong with the word in quotes, you pompous lickspitle.

• Here's a teeny hint: Suggest exploring what that little "ABC with a check mark under it" icon in the upper right hand corner of the posting screen can do for ya.

The best part about your tone and expressed inanities in your posts is that you are outing yourself every time as a failed line pilot who now is desperately trying to overcompensate as a little mid level management tyrant wanna-be.

"Cannot duplicate" is proof that the pilot was wrong and therefore is not qualified to make an airworthyness determination."

That has got to be one of the 10 dumbest things I have read on any aviation related board ever.

I really feel for those of you who have to deal with this lost soul on a professional basis.

 

[FLYLOW22]

"Cannot duplicate" is proof that the pilot was wrong and therefore is not qualified to make an airworthyness determination."

Airworthyness?

Is that like Truthiness?

 

[RCR5]

It must have been his kid. Anyone with that kind of ignorance and blatant slander cannot be a grown man. Who is now silent and smack talk lacking. Based in Chicago and on the XL by the way. Oh, and ex-military. The recall list is short rcr5.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: Absolutely CLASSIC.....sorry, keep fishing. You have wrong information.

Times change, so do lives. Keep casting.

I would make it easy for you and just meet you if you like? Let me know.

 

[B19 Flyer]

you need to read the regulations there b....

The CAPTAIN has the final authority......blah blah.

So, when I say something isnt working, I just determined if it was airworthy or not. And that comes from the regulations. I didnt write them, I just do what they say. And if mx says "unable to duplicate"? that means they didnt fix what was broken....and it needs written up AGAIN until the item is repaired. If its broken then its broken....It dont matter what the mechanic writes, he can say its airworthy all day long but it dont mean the airplane will fly. The pilot determines if its airworthy. I know that cuts into your profit but that isnt our department. Maybe you should take a pay cut or something to make it work.



Most of the time spent by the flight crew is making sure management isnt trying to skirt the regs to get a revenue trip done.

You have a lot to learn about the operational side of aviation. You have the management side down real good.....safety is your number one concern, as long as it dont cost anything..

you're a very unsafe manager. I hope you retire or get arrested before you kill a lot of people.

Broke, to begin with, I've forgotten more in the past five minutes about the operations side of aviation and safety than you've experienced throughout your entire career as a pilot so I'm going to pick on you today because... well, just because.

I’ve had the pleasure of keeping pilots safe and from hurting themselves and others for a very long time now. I’m sure you’re perfect Broke, but that doesn’t mean all pilots are. It only takes one mistake to change the industry, and every pilot flying a commercial airplane today is one error away.

This is the dirty side of aviation that both you and your cronies will never admit to, that being there is somebody there with oversight to try and think of all the things that can go wrong on a flight by flight basis. That extends well beyond that of a pilot on any given flight.

Before that pilot is signed off to fly, somebody has to think of not only how that pilot is trained, but where the mistakes are most likely to happen, who can contribute to those mistakes and how to avoid them before they happen.

You think pilots come up with this stuff? Yeah, right. As I stated in my earlier post about what makes a good pilot, it’s the entire picture broke, not just your exalted view from the flight deck. Somebody has to understand what is happening operationally to make sure that the entire picture fits together. The new official term for this is SMS, but it’s been in the industry ever since I can remember, and let me tell you.. pilots are not the people you want involved in developing that type of program. They have a single view, and it’s not always that which is best for the entire picture.

As I’ve stated before, if something isn’t working to what a pilot perceives it should be, it’s up to the mechanic to determine what’s wrong and fix it. If a pilot continues to perceive the same issue from airplane to airplane as I’ve seen so many times over the years, it’s a pilot issue, not an airplane issue. That’s why pilots are retrained, because no matter how much people like me try to use a crystal ball to anticipate the next issue, we seem to always be one step behind the next stupid pilot trick.

The mechanic has the final say on the airworthiness of the airplane. Period. He doesn’t sign, you don’t go.

You have the privilege of the write up. It is their signature, not the pilots however, that gives you an airworthy airplane.

 

[tailwindz]

I just vomited a little in my mouth.

B19, whomever you are you would not last one day in my world.

I have NEVER seem a mechanic rotate at Vr.

 

[CA1900]

I have, on the other hand, seen a mechanic "troubleshoot" an electrical fault by holding the breaker in until it started smoking again.

The plane doesn't move until the mechanic and the pilot sign off that it's airworthy. The pilot most certainly does have the final say.

 

[imacdog]

You have the privilege of the write up. It is their signature, not the pilots however, that gives you an airworthy airplane.

I think you've proven here that you really have forgotten much about aviation. Might want to quit before you lose all your memory. The plane doesn't fly until the PIC signs the release.

 

[brokeflyer]

Broke, to begin with, I've forgotten more in the past five minutes about the operations side of aviation and safety than you've experienced throughout your entire career as a pilot so I'm going to pick on you today because... well, just because.

I’ve had the pleasure of keeping pilots safe and from hurting themselves and others for a very long time now. I’m sure you’re perfect Broke, but that doesn’t mean all pilots are. It only takes one mistake to change the industry, and every pilot flying a commercial airplane today is one error away.

This is the dirty side of aviation that both you and your cronies will never admit to, that being there is somebody there with oversight to try and think of all the things that can go wrong on a flight by flight basis. That extends well beyond that of a pilot on any given flight.

Before that pilot is signed off to fly, somebody has to think of not only how that pilot is trained, but where the mistakes are most likely to happen, who can contribute to those mistakes and how to avoid them before they happen.

You think pilots come up with this stuff? Yeah, right. As I stated in my earlier post about what makes a good pilot, it’s the entire picture broke, not just your exalted view from the flight deck. Somebody has to understand what is happening operationally to make sure that the entire picture fits together. The new official term for this is SMS, but it’s been in the industry ever since I can remember, and let me tell you.. pilots are not the people you want involved in developing that type of program. They have a single view, and it’s not always that which is best for the entire picture.

As I’ve stated before, if something isn’t working to what a pilot perceives it should be, it’s up to the mechanic to determine what’s wrong and fix it. If a pilot continues to perceive the same issue from airplane to airplane as I’ve seen so many times over the years, it’s a pilot issue, not an airplane issue. That’s why pilots are retrained, because no matter how much people like me try to use a crystal ball to anticipate the next issue, we seem to always be one step behind the next stupid pilot trick.

The mechanic has the final say on the airworthiness of the airplane. Period. He doesn’t sign, you don’t go.

You have the privilege of the write up. It is their signature, not the pilots however, that gives you an airworthy airplane.

yeah, i always pick on the people i know are right too. You're obviously "forgetting" all the important stuff, maybe you shouldnt post anymore, it just makes you look ignorant.

Pick all you want though, i've worn down managers a lot smarter than you think you are, when you were still in grade school kid. Im retired now and I earned the right.

My first type rating was in a DC6, any questions kid?


Your apology is accepted though.

 

[wacoflyr]

The mechanic has the final say on the airworthiness of the airplane. Period.

FAR 91.3 (a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.


FAR 91.7 (b) The pilot in command of a civil aircraft is responsible for determining whether that aircraft is in condition for safe flight. The pilot in command shall discontinue the flight when unairworthy mechanical, electrical, or structural conditions occur.

Well, that was easy to look up. I know which one prints my license.

 

[UAL-GSO]

You guys may as well talk to a wall - he's a lost cause. Just be thankful he's not in an airplane where he could hurt someone.

 

[dime line]

FAR 91.3 (a) The pilot in command of an aircraft is directly responsible for, and is the final authority as to, the operation of that aircraft.


FAR 91.7 (b) The pilot in command of a civil aircraft is responsible for determining whether that aircraft is in condition for safe flight. The pilot in command shall discontinue the flight when unairworthy mechanical, electrical, or structural conditions occur.

Well, that was easy to look up. I know which one prints my license.

DA19 isn't required to know how to read. Hows the union drive going right down from your office in Clearwater?