Citation Shares Question

[Fly2AK]

Just curious on where the domiciles are and if there are any in SEA, GEG, or DEN? What are the schedules like and how many days off per month? Average upgrade time? What are the competetive requirements? how does vacation work and how much? What is the reserve lifestyle like? Any thing else you could tell me would be great. Also are all your training expenses paid for? Thanks

 

[tubularbelle]

REQUIREMENTS
Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (Multi-Engine Land)
Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
2,000 hours total pilot time
1,500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
750 hours pilot-in-command time
500 hours turbine time
200 hours within the last 12 months
Restricted Radiotelephone Operators Permit
Current Passport

Crewmembers must reside within 120 minutes drive from one of the following CitationShares pilot base airports:

BOS, HPN, EWR, BWI, ATL, MCO, FLL, MIA, ORD, DFW, DEN, LAX, SFO, PHX, CVG, SAT, STL, BNA, MCI, IAD, SMF, LAS, IAH, CLE, GSO

 

[XTW]

Just curious on where the domiciles are and if there are any in SEA, GEG, or DEN? What are the schedules like and how many days off per month? Average upgrade time? What are the competetive requirements? how does vacation work and how much? What is the reserve lifestyle like? Any thing else you could tell me would be great. Also are all your training expenses paid for? Thanks

1. Already answered.
2. 7 on/7 off
3. 2+ years at this time
4. 6000+ hrs i would guess
5. Years 1-4, 1 week, Years 5+, 2 weeks
6. No reserve
7. Just ask
8. Yes

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[dime line]

Crew Meal Clarification: if you have requested a crew meal, there is no longer a need to deduct $10.00 per pilot from your expenses. The crew meal charge will automatically be deducted from your expense reimbursement. An educational point, for completeness: once a crew meal is requested, Dispatch coordinates same then enters the request into a crew meal database. Accounting uses this database to reconcile the ........invoice. Once the invoice is reconciled, your expense reimbursement is adjusted accordingly. Important: if you do not receive your crew meal for any reason, notify Dispatch. A diversion might trigger this, for example. Once Dispatch is informed, the database will be adjusted, preventing Accounting from deducting the crew meal expense. If anyone has further questions or suggestions, please call anytime day or night to discuss?happy to help.


Don't forget about the crew meals you have to pay for!!!!!

 

[Captainzero1]

Dime Line:

I do not work for CS but have a good friend there. Why do you guys harp about crew meals being paid. Dude, it is all the same crap. I go on the road ten days at a time. I can't imagine eating a freaking crew meal every day twice a day. I like to enjoy a meal served on china in a restaurant with someone waiting on me. I go and I am sure you do go to some great destinations where I wallow with the locals in what they enjoy in the kitchen. I am well compensated to be able to do that. Geez fellas, eating in an fbo with food on your lap is nothing to be proud of.
Our charter clients rarely order catering except for the occasional breakfast breads. Even they can't stand eating that crap day in/day out.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

I can't imagine eating a freaking crew meal every day twice a day. I like to enjoy a meal served on china in a restaurant with someone waiting on me. I go and I am sure you do go to some great destinations where I wallow with the locals in what they enjoy in the kitchen. I am well compensated to be able to do that. Geez fellas, eating in an fbo with food on your lap is nothing to be proud of.
Our charter clients rarely order catering except for the occasional breakfast breads. Even they can't stand eating that crap day in/day out.

Funny! Sounds like you just don't get it.

If CS is anything like NetJets then listen closely.

You don't have a choice when you're scheduled to fly 1. Breakfast 2. Lunch 3. Dinner in the cockpit. If you're in the Falcon you can enjoy you're china if you want but who cares. I prefer to eat all my meals while not doing M0.84 but I don't really get a say unless my Screw food doesn't show up. If it doesn't we all get excited and shut it down and go eat at a restaurant like civilized folks. But if yas gots to haf screw food, betta if yooz dont haf to payz fuh it!

 

[dime line]

You can't imagine eating crew meals everyday.........I think the same way........"But".........

That is just not the way it is here at the Fracs. So far this trip i've done 5, 14hr days in a row, not too much time to go and eat from china. We average 4 legs a day while doing our 8 on and 7 off, or untill we get tired, which usually happens about day 4 or 5, then we get 12 hours off.

You say you "wallow" with the locals, that is not even on the plate at Flops, CS, NJ or Flex.

You say your well "compensated".......Were working on it, but far away from "well"

So to answer your question, the schedules at the Frax companys don't allow for the "china" or even the Micki Deees run during any given day, so being that were not robots, and we need to eat to operate. But CS decided to charge their pilots 10.00 for their crew meals, that the pilots have no control over. The only reason the company can charge this, is simply because they can.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

The only reason the company can charge this, is simply because they can.

Any ideas on how you can take that control back? Hmmm, any?

 

[dime line]

March 2nd, I hope

 

[Safetycheck]

Where and how

Crew Meal Clarification: if you have requested a crew meal, there is no longer a need to deduct $10.00 per pilot from your expenses. The crew meal charge will automatically be deducted from your expense reimbursement. An educational point, for completeness: once a crew meal is requested, Dispatch coordinates same then enters the request into a crew meal database. Accounting uses this database to reconcile the ........invoice. Once the invoice is reconciled, your expense reimbursement is adjusted accordingly. Important: if you do not receive your crew meal for any reason, notify Dispatch. A diversion might trigger this, for example. Once Dispatch is informed, the database will be adjusted, preventing Accounting from deducting the crew meal expense. If anyone has further questions or suggestions, please call anytime day or night to discuss?happy to help.


Don't forget about the crew meals you have to pay for!!!!!

Dime:

Im curious how you got this information. Good info. Do you work for CS?

 

[dime line]

No I don't work at CS,

 

[bravodude]

the reason they charge us is because we get per diem! if we dont have time to run out and grab a bite to eat they figure we pay 10.00 they pick up the rest. doesnt sound like a bad deal to me after all what is perdiem for. at net jets they get food every leg how much food can you actually eat in one day. i wonder how much the company spends on crew meals for you guys every year. You guys want compare then compare benefits ( no comparison you win hands down) talking about crew mwals is a joke

 

[BrnJetFuel]

the reason they charge us is because we get per diem! if we dont have time to run out and grab a bite to eat they figure we pay 10.00 they pick up the rest. doesnt sound like a bad deal to me after all what is perdiem for.

Do they pick up the bill when you get into New York early enough to have that $35 hamburger in the hotel restaurant, while on you're time? What always made sense to us here at NetJets is if we are on our time, our dime. If we are on theirs, working our 14 hours likely, then they are paying. Most of us would prefer to sit down and spend our own per diem while eating something other than screw food. Some days of standby without any flying, we end up with a deficit, spending more for food than our per diem covers. But it's still better than sCREW food.

 

[Stickshaker]

Now don't say you heard this from me, but, I heard you CS folks wont have to pay for your crew meals any more after Netjets buys Citation Shares. Thats right, free food, and can you say staple.

 

[Stinkbug]

Thirty-five dollar hamburger...really...exaggerate much? If you can't budget your meals to stay within the $55.20 per day that the company is giving you...well then you aren't trying very hard. I don't think I've ever even come close to going over. Not that I wouldn't mind having my meals completely paid for...but I've never gotten everything I wanted so why start now. I'm with Bravodude...crew meals are kind of a non-issue.

And stickshaker...<yawn>...never mind.

 

[dime line]

You haven't been to ASE for a couple of days then. 55.00 will get you breakfast.

 

[BrnJetFuel]

...but I've never gotten everything I wanted so why start now.

Too easy, never mind.

 

[On Your Six]

How's the CJ3 Doing?

Off topic, but how are the CJ3 guys enjoying the new aircraft? Any opinions out there? I parked near one at IAD recently and I was impressed. I've heard that it performs well and that it has some new avionics improvements...

How many more CJ3s are expected this year? What's the likelihood that a newhire will get a CJ3 slot vs. a Bravo, CJ1, Excel slot? Is there a greater likelihood given the delivery schedule?

 

[Chewbacca]

Now don't say you heard this from me, but, I heard you CS folks wont have to pay for your crew meals any more after Netjets buys Citation Shares. Thats right, free food, and can you say staple.

Why so much hate man? I never understood the flying biz, everyone tries to say they work for the best company, they get the best benifits, when all in all, a job that is good and feeds the family is the most important. I have never seemed the need to tell someone in person or on message boards that their company sucks, or the pilots are bad. Its good that people are working. These forums are terrible, people use them to take aggressions out on other people, its actually really sad.

I never worked for a company that paid for my health care/meals 100%, and I never intend to plan on that. It just seems a little too much. Who knows how long that will last for, but enjoy it while it does. Every other industry is laying people off, many because of rising health care costs. Im very happy at CS, im happy to make a good living, good schedule, and great people.

So holy crap, stop bitching at eachother!

 

[Guitar rocker]

Why so much hate man? I never understood the flying biz, everyone tries to say they work for the best company, they get the best benifits, when all in all, a job that is good and feeds the family is the most important. I have never seemed the need to tell someone in person or on message boards that their company sucks, or the pilots are bad. Its good that people are working. These forums are terrible, people use them to take aggressions out on other people, its actually really sad.

I never worked for a company that paid for my health care/meals 100%, and I never intend to plan on that. It just seems a little too much. Who knows how long that will last for, but enjoy it while it does. Every other industry is laying people off, many because of rising health care costs. Im very happy at CS, im happy to make a good living, good schedule, and great people.

So holy crap, stop bitching at eachother!

Chewy, I couldnt agree more with you. Perhaps you can tell your pals trash and bogie what you just told us. It is your own that have said that "CS pilots are the best" and that your "service is second to none and better than NJA's." Truly, who cares.........as long as we get a check, right??? We've been down this road before, where were you then???