CHQ E190's

[EMB170Pilot]

OK...... DCA grad and flies the 170... I'll see what I can find out

 

[miles otoole]

OK...... DCA grad and flies the 170... I'll see what I can find out

My sources looking too.

 

[aewanabe]

Are there that many DCA guys on the 170? I thought they were generally coming here with 900-1100 hours; too low for the "widebody".

 

[CancelIFR1200]

I'm a CHQ Pilot. I realize the resentment towards my pilot group, but will be the first to admit that ever airline has that 5% of complete morons. I will Not SUPPORT Any Relief on J4J at My Company, unless some advantagous side letters are written, and payrates are amended to JetBlue E190 +3% reviewed quaterly. In the advent that JB's payrates increase, my should also. I will be first in line to admit that these aircraft should not be on this airline's property. Nor Any other with Express, Connection, or Airlink Painted on the side. If these airplanes show up it is a Failure of APA and ALPA to protect their jobs and scope. Needless to say, I will not do my part to stop this snowball from rolling. I may only have 1 voice and 1 Vote, but Mine will be NO TO 190's!

 

[Traumahawk]

Comair is owned by Delta. They are parts of the same company. Delta decided they wanted RJ's on those routes, so they made them into Comair flights. Comair wasn't standing in line like a hooker on a Vegas street corner trying to outbid mainline for them. The comparison you are making here is like apples to coconuts.

I hope you don't fly for ComAir.

Comair was a contract carrier not too long ago there skyboy. What do you think they were flying in the years before they were bought?? CRJ service from Lunken to Harrisburg??

I have a lot of friends over there and mean no harm in humorously saying, they were the ORIGINAL Delta whore Delta liked the action they were getting so much they bought them. The rest is history.

Both Apples and Coconuts fall from trees. Obvisouly one too many hit your head on the way down.

T-Hawk

 

[EMB170Pilot]

Are there that many DCA guys on the 170? I thought they were generally coming here with 900-1100 hours; too low for the "widebody".

funny I was thinking the same thing after I logged off......

need ATP mins to come on the 170

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I hope you don't fly for ComAir.

Comair was a contract carrier not too long ago there skyboy. What do you think they were flying in the years before they were bought?? CRJ service from Lunken to Harrisburg??

I have a lot of friends over there and mean no harm in humorously saying, they were the ORIGINAL Delta whore Delta liked the action they were getting so much they bought them. The rest is history.

Both Apples and Coconuts fall from trees. Obvisouly one too many hit your head on the way down.

T-Hawk

What does this ancient history have to do with anything? Comair was the initial Delta Connection RJ operator. They don't, and never have, done business simply by underbidding other regional airlines. No, I don't fly for Comair...but I have more respect for those airlines which don't fly with 4 different paint schemes and open or close a domicile every other week.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

I'm a CHQ Pilot. I realize the resentment towards my pilot group, but will be the first to admit that ever airline has that 5% of complete morons. I will Not SUPPORT Any Relief on J4J at My Company, unless some advantagous side letters are written, and payrates are amended to JetBlue E190 +3% reviewed quaterly. In the advent that JB's payrates increase, my should also. I will be first in line to admit that these aircraft should not be on this airline's property. Nor Any other with Express, Connection, or Airlink Painted on the side. If these airplanes show up it is a Failure of APA and ALPA to protect their jobs and scope. Needless to say, I will not do my part to stop this snowball from rolling. I may only have 1 voice and 1 Vote, but Mine will be NO TO 190's!

Excellent post.

 

[h25b]

No, I don't fly for Comair...but I have more respect for those airlines which don't fly with 4 different paint schemes and open or close a domicile every other week.

Respect for an airline because it's stupid enough to put all of its eggs in one basket ??? You're kidding right ?

Just ask the folks at Piedmont and Allegheny how great the wholly-owned, fly-for-one carrier system works. The only thing keeping Delta from selling Comair tomorrow is that there's no one stupid enough to buy them. I remember sitting in the PIT crew room as a CHQ pilot back in 1999 and witnessing all of the PSA/Piedmont/Allegheny numb-nuts looking down their noses at us because they were "Holy" owned. Worked out great for them huh ???

And opening up and closing domiciles is called doing business. It happens. It by no means is a measure of a company. You sure have a screwed-up barometer for success man. Things at Comair have been slowly going down the toilet since that big contract they went out and walked circles for. So much so they recently cried "uncle" and gave some of it back.

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Respect for an airline because it's stupid enough to put all of its eggs in one basket ??? You're kidding right ?

Just ask the folks at Piedmont and Allegheny how great the wholly-owned, fly-for-one carrier system works. The only thing keeping Delta from selling Comair tomorrow is that there's no one stupid enough to buy them. I remember sitting in the PIT crew room as a CHQ pilot back in 1999 and witnessing all of the PSA/Piedmont/Allegheny numb-nuts looking down their noses at us because they were "Holy" owned. Worked out great for them huh ???

And opening up and closing domiciles is called doing business. It happens. It by no means is a measure of a company. You sure have a screwed-up barometer for success man. Things at Comair have been slowly going down the toilet since that big contract they went out and walked circles for. So much so they recently cried "uncle" and gave some of it back.

The topic of discussion here is what business tactics are dragging our profession down as pilots, not which business tactics are making an airline thrive. Naturally CHQ, Mesa, and their counterparts are thriving while the wholly owns are hurting. There's obviously no denying that. Why do you think the wholly owns are hurting? Simple, because of a select few contract carriers out there that survive only by operating as cheaply as possible and underbidding everyone that they possibly can. Their labor costs are lower because of poor wages and minimal staffing levels. They don't spend the extra money for things like CASS or ACARS, just as a few examples. So, in turn, they underbid airlines like Comair with higher wages, better staffing, and other things that are there to benefit us as pilots. Its all part of the race to the bottom.

 

[miles otoole]

The topic of discussion here is what business tactics are dragging our profession down as pilots, not which business tactics are making an airline thrive. Naturally CHQ, Mesa, and their counterparts are thriving while the wholly owns are hurting. There's obviously no denying that. Why do you think the wholly owns are hurting? Simple, because of a select few contract carriers out there that survive only by operating as cheaply as possible and underbidding everyone that they possibly can. Their labor costs are lower because of poor wages and minimal staffing levels. They don't spend the extra money for things like CASS, just as one example. So, in turn, they underbid airlines like Comair with higher wages, better staffing, and other things that are there to benefit us as pilots. Its all part of the race to the bottom.

OK, and your point is??? We KNOW this. Once we accept it as pilots, we are much more able to cope. The ONLY way to beat 'em is to fight 'em. You ever want to upgrade, FWIW? You better beat 'em at their own game. It's all capitalism. You don't drop your salaries (or increase efficiencies), you are finished in this industry.

 

[h25b]

The topic of discussion here is what business tactics are dragging our profession down as pilots, not which business tactics are making an airline thrive. Naturally CHQ, Mesa, and their counterparts are thriving while the wholly owns are hurting. There's obviously no denying that. Why do you think the wholly owns are hurting? Simple, because of a select few contract carriers out there that survive only by operating as cheaply as possible and underbidding everyone that they possibly can. Their labor costs are lower because of poor wages and minimal staffing levels. They don't spend the extra money for things like CASS. So, in turn, they underbid airlines like Comair with higher wages, better staffing, and other things that are there to benefit us as pilots.

I can only speak semi-intelligently about CHQ, so lets slowly work through what you just said...

1. CHQ doesn't "only" survive by operating as cheaply as possible and underbidding everyone else. There's a bit more to it than that. For example, not having to pin their success/failure on only one airline is one of the factors along with being incredibly well positioned for growth with their airframe manufacturer which allowed them to be the most attractive provider for lift. This was originally created by Wexford, LLC. of Greenwich, CT. who bought out CHQ around 1998 (these were the people that hired Mr. Bedford from Mesaba). Wexford bought large numbers of delivery positions for the EMB's and then went out and bought an airline to further this investment. This advantage has been further enhanced by gambling on yet another EMB product (EMB-170's and its variants). Delta and all its "wholly-owned" wisedom bet the farm on the Canadair series which passengers have slowly and surely grown to hate... Anyone that has flown on the back of the EMB-170 AND the CL-700 can attest to this. I for example will drive an extra hour to an airport where I can get on Southwest instead of being trapped in two CRJ's for my business travel... God help you if you get the inside seat in that thing. It's awful!!! Horrible passenger comfort...

2. Understaffing ??? I can tell you that CHQ is by no means understaffed. By their contract with the pilots they can't be because THERE IS NO JUNIOR MANNING !!!! Anyone that really knows what they are talking about can say that the QOL at CHQ is not bad when compared to other regionals.

 

[OPECJet]

Just ask the folks at Piedmont and Allegheny how great the wholly-owned, fly-for-one carrier system works. The only thing keeping Delta from selling Comair tomorrow is that there's no one stupid enough to buy them. I remember sitting in the PIT crew room as a CHQ pilot back in 1999 and witnessing all of the PSA/Piedmont/Allegheny numb-nuts looking down their noses at us because they were "Holy" owned. Worked out great for them huh ???

.....and you've done what for your profession lately?????

 

[PIREP]

Using that analogy, when I graduated from DCA, I should have gone straight to Delta then.

There aren't any DCA Instructor Grads on the 170 as an FO. Captain yes, FO, no. I know of one person that flew a 1900 for Skyway and got hired on the 170, but they took a job at Comair instead. This person definitely doesn't work for CHQ on the 170, end of E170Guppykiller's story.

 

[eastflier]

You make a good point about everyone having to stop flyng bigger jets for crap wages, but the fact of the matter is that we as a pilot group will never be in control. It is over our heads and there is nothing that we can do to stop it. It is already beyond return and there will always be someone out there looking to fly BIG JETS for less than you are. Soon everyone will be flying for free.

 

[h25b]

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[h25b]

.....and you've done what for your profession lately?????

You don't even want to go there... My good deeds are many for others in this profession. Ranging from people I've met on the road to complete strangers I have been connected with through this board. You'd be wise to back off from that path with me pal.

I could start a list for you, but that would lack class and it's too much typing.

So... What exactly is it that I said that was incorrect since I evidently touched a nerve ???

 

[reject007]

As I always say: Hey Guppykiller! I must take a baseball bat to your nutsack, because somehow you're making me look bad you f-ing tool!

Sometimes, violence is the answer folks.

 

[OPECJet]

I remember sitting in the PIT crew room as a CHQ pilot back in 1999 and witnessing all of the PSA/Piedmont/Allegheny numb-nuts looking down their noses at us because they were "Holy" owned. Worked out great for them huh ???

That comment was the ticket. I can see where you're coming from a little better after a good night's sleep, but PDT crews have been watching our bases close, aircraft disappear, schedules get worse, and our future getting dimmer. This happens while CHQ, Mesa, PSA, and now Air Willy bring more and more RJs onto the property to replace us, and mainline flying. Most of us realize the problem doesn't lie solely with the carriers flying the RJs. It begins with mainline management not realizing how much of an asset we can be. On the flip side, pilots making less flying those jets than we make flying our Dashes doesn't help either.

 

[h25b]

That comment was the ticket. I can see where you're coming from a little better after a good night's sleep, but PDT crews have been watching our bases close, aircraft disappear, schedules get worse, and our future getting dimmer. This happens while CHQ, Mesa, PSA, and now Air Willy bring more and more RJs onto the property to replace us, and mainline flying. Most of us realize the problem doesn't lie solely with the carriers flying the RJs. It begins with mainline management not realizing how much of an asset we can be. On the flip side, pilots making less flying those jets than we make flying our Dashes doesn't help either.

I knew a ton of guys at PDT when they were the it place to get on and getting a call from Bob Trout was the greatest thing ever while at the same time people thought that going to CHQ was nuts.

At any rate, trying to blame any of these regional pilots is like watching a guy ignite his farts. Fun to watch, but very dangerous and misguided...

Like I have been saying since around 1997, the mainline unions made a HUGE mistake by giving these "kids" the RJ's in the first place. I'm not against blaming people for their mistakes, as long as the shotgun is pointed in the right direction..