Chemtrails: holiday update

[enigma]

please forgive me

but I can't help adding to the mess.

Hey Denver, If you have actually found low altitude chemtrails, why do you think you can see said chemtrails? Have you ever watched an ag-plane spraying rice fields around Houston? Could you see the spray? Don't you think that any black helicopter government agency that has managed to develop a nationwide covert chemgoo spraying operation could also develop a process that would allow low altitude chemical spreading that wouldn't leave a trace?
So tell us, if the trails are being formed in air that is above freezing (ruling out ice trails) why are they visible? Are those bad g-men, and all of us pilot accessories to the crime, purposefully leaving a trail just to scare you? That could be it. We are purposefully leaving evidence of our illegal activity just so that you will find it, scream about it to a careless public, and marginalize yourself as a kook. What a plan.
It seems to be working.

Merry Christmas,
enigma aka the Texas goo spreader.

 

[Typhoon1244]

Re: please forgive me

...the Texas goo spreader.

That sounds a little porno to me...

 

[Eagleflip]

BAD ENIGMA! BAD...BAD!!!

This thread is on "auto-hijack." All chemgoo comments are morally reprehensible and must be coverted into BBQ stories via the AUTO-Q encoder, a one hundert jigawatt computer with BI (Barbeque Intelligence). Here's an example of how it works:

Denver130: "So, as you can see, the surface temperature would not support anything but a chemtrail out of that thar jet plane..."

AUTO-Q: "So, the best BBQ can easily be found at Smitty's BBQ, Panama City Florida. OK, after founding a superb Q place Smitty went and found Jesus, leaving the Q but ditching the brew. Good for him but not a good reason to divest such a natural alliance. In any case, he eventually sold out to a fellow who cooks OUTSTANDING ribs and makes great sauces. Add that to a great aviation atmosphere and you've got yourself a fine Q restaurant."

See how it works, Enigma? Don't make me come back here...

 

[mattfish42]

It has to have been more than 10 years ago, but Piggy's is/was a good time in OKC's bricktown. The BBQ was above average, but not spectacular. The band, however, was incredible. A small jazz combo with a whole lotta talent. Good times.

 

[uscpilot]

BAD ENIGMA! BAD...BAD!!!

This thread is on "auto-hijack." All chemgoo comments are morally reprehensible and must be coverted into BBQ stories via the AUTO-Q encoder, a one hundert jigawatt computer with BI (Barbeque Intelligence).

Maybe his AUTO-Q encoder is inop and it had to be MEL'd. A similar thing happend to me over ATL. The controller asked me to recycle but the Q encoding was inop and I had turn it to standby. Thankfully it can only be differed for 3 days. You would think it would be groundable, but it isnt. You just have to notify the controllers in BBQ laden areas before you fly over.
usc

 

[Northern Lights]

I've heard that there are approach fixes around Kansas City called something like "TASTY, BARBQ, RIBBS"

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

Also I'm looking foreward to some BBQ and Blues in the near future at Famous Daves in MSP

 

[Typhoon1244]

You just have to notify the controllers in BBQ laden areas before you fly over.

It's sort of like telling them you're a /A instead of /G.

Center: "Candler four-twenty-one, pulled pork with sweet sauce and mustard potato salad."

CAA 421: "Uh, center, we're negative-Q today."

Center: "Oh. Well then, turn left heading zero-five-zero and maintain two hundred fifty knots."

 

[JetSpeed219]

Anybody know of any good BBQ places in Portland, Oregon????

 

[Denver130]

sickness

Some of you ask, why aren't people getting sick if the issue of chemtrails is real?

Thats a good question.

To tell you the truth, I have not personally had time to check hospital statistics on various diseases. I do perform hospital visitation for our church and I do see startling things that would make your hair curl.

My guess is the following:

1. If the airforce is spraying the sky with aluminum oxide or barium oxide, these heavy metals would depress the immune system. It wouldn’t cause sudden death. Death would come as a result of diseases the body can no longer fight off. It would affect people of all ages and especially affect the aged or upcoming baby boomers the most.

I didn’t really pay attention to sickness until I had a stroke at 42. One week later they found a 2 inch tumor in my heart that they had to remove. Five people per million get one and I was the 3rd person that year (March 2, 2001).

I saw a 35 year old spitting up blood due to lung cancer a week ago.
I walked into AutoZone and saw a 30 year old with MS.
A friend of mine at age 30 has breast cancer.
My aunt, who along with millions of others has Alzheimer’s.
Colon Powell has prostate cancer.
My dad had colon cancer.
A lady from church has skin wounds that wont go away.
Our pastor has lung cancer.
Our media director has pancreatic cancer
The list goes on and on and on.

My doctor is appalled at the sheer numbers of people fighting cancer today. His only explanation is that there must be something in the water or in the air.

This is only my speculation.

By the way, do you wonder how so many people from different areas of America came down with the flu so fast? A few communities were affected at first and the next thing, groups of states were in the news with massive sickness.

 

[Denver130]

I'll help you out typhoon

Is the water vapor produced from a car the same thing as a jet contrail? The answer is no. Why? Because jet contrails result in ice crystals. That is what we observe when we look up at the sky and see a trail.

Lt. Col Michael Gibson USAF in a letter written to Representative Mark Green defined it this way: “Contrails consist of ice particles that form around the soot or or aerosol particles in exhaust gases.”

In addition, this phenomenon requires an environmental configuration (which water vapor form a car does not) that includes 3 components. Those components are:

1. High Altitudes: 30,000ft plus
2. Extreme Temperatures: -40 and colder
3. Humidity to the point of saturation: (80 percent plus)

If the physics of these environmental components are violated, will jet contrails as defined by Michael Gibson, NASA and NOAA form? NO

I’m sure the high school student didn’t think about these things.

 

[Denver130]

ShawnC and the FAA

If you were an employee of the FAA and thousands of people all around the country call in concerning unusual jet contrails how would you respond?

1. Go back to bed and don’t bother me.
2. Jet contrails are just normal.
3. There’s nothing to be afraid of.
4. Don’t worry. Be happy.
5. Go visit the FAA web site. It says that jet contrails are just trails of ice crystals in the sky.

What would Joe Denver do if he was an employee of the FAA who received thousands of phone calls from concerned citizens about unusual jet contrails.

1. Find out what the definition of jet contrail is?
2. What are the physics required for jet contrails?
3. Ask citizens to get temp, humidity and altitude reference points from the airport?
4. Find out why they appear unusual?
5. Are they random or in patterns?
6. Is the climate in the region cold?
7. Do you normally see jet trails on a daily basis or is it sporadic?
8. What days of the week do you observe them the most?
9. Are you near an airport?
10. Write up a report and give them the reference number and follow up in two weeks.
11. Check homeland security bulletins to see if terrorism alert levels have changed.
12. Search the web for any known issues (that’s the computer techkie in me)
13. Make my own observations and record them so see if what I am seeing is similar to what other people are seeing. If there’s a match, then there’s more validity to citizen complaints.
14. Make a responsible value judgment and tell the truth. This issue may affect everyone.

 

[Denver130]

USA TODAY - article

1. Why are thousands of people calling?
2. What is the FAA's response?
3. What is the caliber of people calling?
4. Would they tell you the truth if there was an issue?

03/07/2001 - Updated 10:38 AM ET

Conspiracy theories find menace in contrails

By Traci Watson, USA TODAY

A new conspiracy theory sweeping the Internet and radio talk shows has set parts of the federal government on edge.

The theory: The white lines of condensed water vapor that jets leave in the sky, called contrails, are actually a toxic substance the government deliberately sprays on an unsuspecting populace.


Federal bureaucracies have gotten thousands of phone calls, e-mails and letters in recent years from people demanding to know what is being sprayed and why. Some of the missives are threatening.

It's impossible to tell how many supporters these ideas have attracted, but the people who believe them say they're tired of getting the brush-off from officials. And they're tired of health problems they blame on "spraying."

"This is blatant. This is in your face," says Philip Marie Sr., a retired nuclear quality engineer from Bartlett, N.H., who says the sky above his quiet town is often crisscrossed with "spray" trails.

"No one will address it," he says. "Everyone stonewalls this thing."

The situation Marie and others describe is straight out of The X-Files. He and others report one day looking up at the sky and realizing that they were seeing abnormal contrails: contrails that lingered and spread into wispy clouds, multiple contrails arranged in tick-tack-toe-like grids or parallel lines, contrails being laid down by white planes without registration numbers.

Believers call these tracks "chemtrails." They say they don't know why the chemicals are being dropped, but that doesn't stop them from speculating. Many guess that the federal government is trying to slow global warming with compounds that reflect sunlight into the sky. Some propose more ominous theories, such as a government campaign to weed out the old and sick.

Exasperated by persistent questions, the Environmental Protection Agency, NASA, the Federal Aviation Administration and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration joined forces last fall to publish a fact sheet explaining the science of contrail formation. A few months earlier, the Air Force had put out its own fact sheet, which tries to refute its opponents' arguments point by point.

"If you try to pin these people down and refute things, it's, 'Well, you're just part of the conspiracy,' " says atmospheric scientist Patrick Minnis of NASA's Langley Research Center in Hampton, Va. "Logic is not exactly a real selling point for most of them."

Nothing is "out there" except water vapor and ice crystals, say irritated scientists who study contrails. Some, such as Minnis, are outraged enough by the claims of chemtrail believers that they have trolled Internet chat rooms to correct misinformation or have gotten into arguments with callers.

"Conspiracy nonsense," snorts Kenneth Sassen, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Utah. "These things are at 30,000 to 40,000 feet in the atmosphere. They're tiny particles. They're not going to affect anyone."

The cloud-forming contrails that conspiracy theorists find so ominous are "perfectly natural," Minnis says. The odd grid and parallel-line patterns are easily explained as contrails blown together by the wind, scientists say

 

[mizzouguy]

yeah northern ligghts the ils 1R at mci has dme fixes is spicy , barbq, and ribbs

 

[Denver130]

USA Today quote #1

USA Today quote #1

USA Today quote

"Conspiracy nonsense," snorts Kenneth Sassen, an atmospheric scientist at the University of Utah. "These things are at 30,000 to 40,000 feet in the atmosphere. They're tiny particles. They're not going to affect anyone."

1. Why can people photograph them like Denver under heavy cloud ceilings?

http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/dec1102.html
http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/Houston16.html
http://www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrails/GrandRapids1.html

 

[Denver130]

USA Quote #2

"The odd grid and parallel-line patterns are easily explained as contrails blown together by the wind, scientists say"

Nobody in their right mind would call those X's and gird's contrails
"blown together by the wind" at

www.geocities.com/houstonchemtrials

1. Why aren't they pencil thin?
2. Why are they lasting for hours if their just ice crystals.
3. Show me where in the topics of houston you find -70 degree temperatures at low atlitudes.

 

[Denver130]

USA Today Quote 3

"Federal bureaucracies have gotten thousands of phone calls, e-mails and letters in recent years from people demanding to know what is being sprayed and why. "

I'm sorry Shawn, repeating the offical "definition of a contrail" wont do. Putting chemtrails photos on the FAA site and calling them jet contrails is also a poor substitution for the truth.

 

[Denver130]

USA Today Quote 4

"This is blatant. This is in your face," says Philip Marie Sr., a retired nuclear quality engineer from Bartlett, N.H., who says the sky above his quiet town is often crisscrossed with "spray" trails.

"No one will address it," he says. "Everyone stonewalls this thing."

When nuclear engineers get into the fray, the FAA better have its ducks together. These people are experts at research and if there is an answer, they will find it.

 

[Denver130]

USA Today Quote 5

"He and others report one day looking up at the sky and realizing that they were seeing abnormal contrails: contrails that lingered and spread into wispy clouds, multiple contrails arranged in tick-tack-toe-like grids or parallel lines, contrails being laid down by white planes without registration numbers."

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People know their environment. They observe their environment. They have mental pictures of their environment. When a change occurs, they are aware of it.

The FAA "definition of a jet contrail" explaination is totally insufficent to explain what people are seeing and pilots "we see jet contrails everyday" is not very comforting.

 

[Denver130]

USA Todays Quote 6

"A new conspiracy theory sweeping the Internet and radio talk shows has set parts of the federal government on edge.

The theory: The white lines of condensed water vapor that jets leave in the sky, called contrails, are actually a toxic substance the government deliberately sprays on an unsuspecting populace."

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Did you find the word "government" in that quote? Is there any government document that specifically references the issue of chemtrials? YES

HR 2977

Hard to believe but its there. Dennis wrote it and he took it to the next level by stating that "despite government denials, the chemtrail program exists" - Columbus Alive Newspaper

 

[mizzouguy]

u ever think the "x's" might be an intersection?