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johnsonrod
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Dude,
Do your best to steer clear of the airline industry. There are plenty of good non-121 jobs out there. Flying freight could be a good start to continue to build some time. I would look for a target number (maybe 2000 hours) and then start to apply to the fractionals and "reputable" 135 operators.
There are new operators popping up all the time (some good and some bad) but you can get some great experience. Here's an example that popped up on my radar recently:
http://www.jetsuite.com/index.php
I agree that things happen for a reason. I fly the ERJ for a regional and I am trying to get out. Keep your head up and try again...
Good luck!
Do your best to steer clear of the airline industry. There are plenty of good non-121 jobs out there. Flying freight could be a good start to continue to build some time. I would look for a target number (maybe 2000 hours) and then start to apply to the fractionals and "reputable" 135 operators.
There are new operators popping up all the time (some good and some bad) but you can get some great experience. Here's an example that popped up on my radar recently:
http://www.jetsuite.com/index.php
I agree that things happen for a reason. I fly the ERJ for a regional and I am trying to get out. Keep your head up and try again...
Good luck!
acaTerry
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You suck. Go to McDonalds. Just kidding! A washout in today's desperate market is not the kiss of death that it used to be. That being said, get some training before going to another airline or even an interview. The interviewer is going to "go after you" over the washout and you'd better be able to convince them that it won't happen at their airline too.
The guy who recommended flytheline.com and Lori Clark was on the money. Not just Lori, but her staff, all of whom are airline pilots, know their stuff and how to get you through this. They aint cheap, but in your position, consider it an investment in your career. It would be money well spent. Good luck.
The guy who recommended flytheline.com and Lori Clark was on the money. Not just Lori, but her staff, all of whom are airline pilots, know their stuff and how to get you through this. They aint cheap, but in your position, consider it an investment in your career. It would be money well spent. Good luck.
regionalhell
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No Worries
I know you are in a stressful place right now, but you're going to be just fine. All this means is that you're human. Stay focused and keep trying if you are really passionate about flying. You will always get a second chance. Someday when you are interviewing at a major you will have a great story about how you overcame adversity early in your career.
I know you are in a stressful place right now, but you're going to be just fine. All this means is that you're human. Stay focused and keep trying if you are really passionate about flying. You will always get a second chance. Someday when you are interviewing at a major you will have a great story about how you overcame adversity early in your career.
Bjammin
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Great stuff on this thread!
I went from single seat military to the 747-400 and almost washed out. (Needed 3 checkrides to get me through.) I found I was focused way too much on studying the company policys and systems and not enough on the actual day to day line flying.
I went to www.precisionmanuals.com, downloaded my aircraft, and went through flows and normal flight procedures many times a day for a week. It got my focus back on the meat and potatoes of flying, which is what checkers are looking for.
Don't give up if aviation is your passion. Get some more experience then focus on what's important.
I went from single seat military to the 747-400 and almost washed out. (Needed 3 checkrides to get me through.) I found I was focused way too much on studying the company policys and systems and not enough on the actual day to day line flying.
I went to www.precisionmanuals.com, downloaded my aircraft, and went through flows and normal flight procedures many times a day for a week. It got my focus back on the meat and potatoes of flying, which is what checkers are looking for.
Don't give up if aviation is your passion. Get some more experience then focus on what's important.
realmanofgenius
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it would appear that many of the guys here would be the ones you'd want to fly on the line with.
this is that bump in the road some like to call it. the fact is we have all had one. tom brady can throw an interception. look at the story of Eli manning last year. They tried to run him out of town and now he is the star of the greatest play in superbowl history. and the game winner.
the point is this is small potatoes for you. just like a stall recovery , Max power, hold atlitude and clean up .... and go forward. learn from this because failure is a great teacher. no one in life that accomplished anything didn't fail many times...
you'll the love the story of these guys. IN 1953 Rockland chemical tried to create a rust preventive chemical for the aerospace industry. After 40 attempts, it succeeded...WD40 stands for water displacement 40th attempt..
so start smiling and get back out there and go for it...
this is that bump in the road some like to call it. the fact is we have all had one. tom brady can throw an interception. look at the story of Eli manning last year. They tried to run him out of town and now he is the star of the greatest play in superbowl history. and the game winner.
the point is this is small potatoes for you. just like a stall recovery , Max power, hold atlitude and clean up .... and go forward. learn from this because failure is a great teacher. no one in life that accomplished anything didn't fail many times...
you'll the love the story of these guys. IN 1953 Rockland chemical tried to create a rust preventive chemical for the aerospace industry. After 40 attempts, it succeeded...WD40 stands for water displacement 40th attempt..
so start smiling and get back out there and go for it...
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CoolsidePillow,
You have a bad and selfish character (probably a bad moral charachter too, usually goes hand in hand). That makes you a blow to man kind, with that attitude that you have it is just a matter of time before things don't work out for ya! Hope to never have to fly with a punk azz like YOU!
You have a bad and selfish character (probably a bad moral charachter too, usually goes hand in hand). That makes you a blow to man kind, with that attitude that you have it is just a matter of time before things don't work out for ya! Hope to never have to fly with a punk azz like YOU!
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Successful people never fail because they always learn from their mistakes. You should print this thread and save it. Someday you will look back on it and remember when times were tough you were persistent and overcame adversity. Anything is possible. CFI to Jet is a big jump dude. Get some experience and bring some judgment to the cockpit. It will come. Passing a 121 check is not just about learning the lines and acting like you know what you are doing. This set back will be a good follow through in the future and you will be better for it. You'll probably even become a check airman some day.
Good luck
Good luck
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To the original poster, sorry to hear about your experience. I busted part of my checkride at my first 121 gig straight out of CFIing and can somewhat sympathize with what you're feeling. The good news is that it's not the end of the world! If nothing else, remember this, attitude is everything. You seem to have a good one. That is priceless going forward.
Like others have mentioned, 135 might be a good route for you to sharpen your skills. Especially your instrument skills from what I hear. This will be very helpful for your next try. I think that one of the keys to flying a sim is to not have any questions when it comes to instruments. The only task you want to have is that of flying the box. Your mind should only be concerned with Flows, Profiles and Callouts.
That being said, I'm confident that if you got hired by another regional today, you'd have no problem passing the course. You actually learned alot more than you think from that experience. Give it a shot you got nothing to loose by trying. When you do get an opportunity, invest in some sim time somewhere. It'll better prepare you and will do wonders for your confidence. Very best of luck to you. It's not the end of the world.
Like others have mentioned, 135 might be a good route for you to sharpen your skills. Especially your instrument skills from what I hear. This will be very helpful for your next try. I think that one of the keys to flying a sim is to not have any questions when it comes to instruments. The only task you want to have is that of flying the box. Your mind should only be concerned with Flows, Profiles and Callouts.
That being said, I'm confident that if you got hired by another regional today, you'd have no problem passing the course. You actually learned alot more than you think from that experience. Give it a shot you got nothing to loose by trying. When you do get an opportunity, invest in some sim time somewhere. It'll better prepare you and will do wonders for your confidence. Very best of luck to you. It's not the end of the world.
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belchfire
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I don't know you at all so I can't say if you should just go call the truck driving school or not.
I can say that I approve of the attitude that you have and wish you the best of luck. Personally I think that some of that luck came into play in not being involved with AMR!
In a former job I was called on from time to time to "evaluate" pilots-which pissed me off because I wasn't getting a check airman override or anything but I was trusted to make some tough calls-calls that most often should have been made far sooner by the training department. Having said that, the only people that I ever had trouble with were the ones that said "Uh, huh, okay" and kept doing the same stupid stuff and the ones that thought they already knew it all...
My guess is that you will be okay.
I can say that I approve of the attitude that you have and wish you the best of luck. Personally I think that some of that luck came into play in not being involved with AMR!
In a former job I was called on from time to time to "evaluate" pilots-which pissed me off because I wasn't getting a check airman override or anything but I was trusted to make some tough calls-calls that most often should have been made far sooner by the training department. Having said that, the only people that I ever had trouble with were the ones that said "Uh, huh, okay" and kept doing the same stupid stuff and the ones that thought they already knew it all...
My guess is that you will be okay.
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