• NC Software is proud to announce the release of APDL - Airline Pilot Logbook version 10.0. Click here to view APDL on the Apple App store and install now.
  • Logbook Pro for Apple iOS version 8.1 is now available on the App Store. Major update including signature endorsements and dark/light theme support. Click here to install now.

Career after washing out of 121 training

saabservant

disgruntled
Joined
Jun 17, 2003
Posts
337
Total Time
7850
Give Mesaba a try. Excellent training dept., they train to proficiency. Have seen many cfi's make the jump to the crj or the more difficult Saab. Have only seen bad attitudes or the lazy get washed out.
Also has a very strong alpa leadership, including the training committee.
A key: the moment you are starting to struggle, get help and talk to someone! Don't wait until you get to a checkride while unsure of procedures or your confidence.
Also, do your flows and calls until you are ready to puke. Then you know them....
Finally, look at your friends who have given up. Look at the miserable jobs they do, and the dream they have left unfilled. They are half-empty shells. Pathetic, half-men.
Do you want to be them, ten years from now? Nope.
Soon, you will look down at all the sheep, commuting to and from work, every day on the crowded highways. Not you, though! You go to work maybe twice a week, and stay in the "finest" hotels, with the "hottest" flight attendants and co-pilots!.
Yeee hawwww!

Good Luck...







Good luck.
 

CX880

Well-known member
Joined
Apr 19, 2006
Posts
2,861
Total Time
1898
I'm not entirely sure other regionals are out of the question. You have pretty good flight time but I think you may have to resort to lower tier regionals. Try Colgan, Mesa, apply anywhere else before going the 135 route. There still are regionals hiring out there and I would imagine ERJ145 operators would love to have you since you know the airplane. Don't give up, it's not the end of the world.
 

OPECJet

1700
Joined
Nov 7, 2003
Posts
2,312
Total Time
5K
I'd give Piedmont a try as well. Best of luck. You've definitely earned my respect with this thread.
 

wacoflyr

Charter member of MAPA
Joined
Oct 7, 2004
Posts
496
Total Time
8000
I trained at eagle. Got there with almost 5,000, mostly twin time and some serious IFR in the northeast. They just about ate my lunch. I consider myself lucky to have gotten through. How any 1,000 hour CFI gets through is beyond me. Many flowbacks from American have failied that course. Believe me, you can be an excellent pilot and not make it through there, and those Embraer sims are very unstable single engine.
I have no doubt that you are a good pilot, and I applaud you for trying to make such a huge jump. I highly, highly reccomend you do a little 135 work, maybe some check hauling. It will introduce you to a new regulatory einvironment, as well as sharpen your IFR skills. After a year of scheduled 135 at night, you won't be afraid to look any pilot in the eye.

Keep your chin up. I consider you lucky to avoid being an Eagle FO. It's not a fun job.

Regards, Wacoflyr
 

91100 100 set

to the book
Joined
Dec 28, 2003
Posts
694
Total Time
12,000
I'd like to compliment everyone for posting supportive replies to the original poster.
 

J and E's Daddy

Jacob & Emma's Daddy
Joined
Jan 12, 2006
Posts
218
Total Time
6700
As a current Part 121 pilot, you need to forget about it and move on. I played baseball in college. I remember a game where I pitched and couldn't get out of the first inning. I couldn't even get a batter out. After I got removed from the game, my coach said the next time I go out there. I have to forget about what happened and put it behind me. Just learn from your experiences and it will not happen again. I blew a recurrent oral, and I went for remedial training, and used this same philosophy. Also many people have, what Psychologists call, a performance anxiety this affects alot of athletes and students, where once the "lights go on, the mind goes off" if this is the case, you may want to talk to a psychologist and they can recommend and help you in ways to prepare and relax to where you will be fine once thrust in the spotlight.
Feel free to PM me for any additional information.
 

av8tor4239

Well-known member
Joined
Jul 6, 2004
Posts
768
Total Time
1
Coming from ASA.. I can vouch for their training department.... they had the best training I have ever gone thru... kudos to ASA training keep it up..
 

pianoman

Well-known member
Joined
Jan 27, 2005
Posts
525
Total Time
5000
Yup. A lot of things happen for a reason. I remember being bummed that CCAir wouldn't call me back. Or Colgan. My first choice was ACA (before Fly-i). Didn't get that one either.

But things worked out in the end.
 

Gator1999

WAR KITTENS!?!
Joined
Mar 21, 2003
Posts
273
Total Time
>5000
You have the right attitude to do well wherever you end up, keep your chin up and it's gonna pay off. It's been said before and I know for a fact that everything happens for a reason. I believe that in a few years, you'll look back and be glad that you are down a different road...not that there is anything wrong with Eagle, it just wasn't in your plan. There are plenty of regionals hiring right now, you'll have no problem with getting on with another one. Good luck!
 

A-V-8

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 27, 2006
Posts
355
Total Time
7000
I am cringing at the thought of adding my advice so take it for what its worth. I don’t know what airframe you were on at Eagle but you made it to the check ride. Try and go to another regional that will give you a good chance of going to that airframe. I have a friend who washed out of Jet Blue and he went on to USA 3000. You will almost certainly pass on round two.

During training consider investing in a yoke and pedals and practice flying on MS Simulator with the same or similar instruments that you will see in the sim. Training tarnishes everyone’s stick and rudder skills because you are off of the controls for so long in the desk.

If you came off of the CRJ at Eagle you might want to consider Mesa. Mesa is hiring virtually anyone right now. There is a good chance that you will head for the CRJ. Folks are getting 14 sim lessons and plenty of IOE because the quality of candidates took a nose dive as of late. You will be walked through in baby steeps in our training department because they can’t do without everyone that they hire. Mesa may be an ideal choice for YOU right now. Like I wrote though; I don’t know what airframe you came from. Just a stepping stone to help you over a bump along your path.

Moving on. Lori Clark is a former pilot recruiter at Mesa. She moved on to start her own pilot consulting firm. She could help you with how to talk about this in an interview. I would highly recommend you get in touch with her and discuss your situation and get professional help on how to present this to your next interviewer. http://www.flytheline.com/
 
Last edited:

Golden Falcon

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 8, 2006
Posts
659
Total Time
21000+
I look at my trainees as my customer, and if they are unsuccessful, then I have failed, not them...sounds like Eagle just lost a good pilot...someone will be lucky to have you in their flight deck in the future..
 

johnsonrod

Well-known member
Joined
Feb 25, 2006
Posts
4,218
Total Time
8000+
Dude,

Do your best to steer clear of the airline industry. There are plenty of good non-121 jobs out there. Flying freight could be a good start to continue to build some time. I would look for a target number (maybe 2000 hours) and then start to apply to the fractionals and "reputable" 135 operators.

There are new operators popping up all the time (some good and some bad) but you can get some great experience. Here's an example that popped up on my radar recently:

http://www.jetsuite.com/index.php

I agree that things happen for a reason. I fly the ERJ for a regional and I am trying to get out. Keep your head up and try again...

Good luck!
 

acaTerry

SAPM
Joined
Dec 4, 2001
Posts
2,393
Total Time
7000+
You suck. Go to McDonalds. Just kidding! A washout in today's desperate market is not the kiss of death that it used to be. That being said, get some training before going to another airline or even an interview. The interviewer is going to "go after you" over the washout and you'd better be able to convince them that it won't happen at their airline too.
The guy who recommended flytheline.com and Lori Clark was on the money. Not just Lori, but her staff, all of whom are airline pilots, know their stuff and how to get you through this. They aint cheap, but in your position, consider it an investment in your career. It would be money well spent. Good luck.
 

regionalhell

Active member
Joined
Aug 2, 2003
Posts
28
Total Time
9000
No Worries

I know you are in a stressful place right now, but you're going to be just fine. All this means is that you're human. Stay focused and keep trying if you are really passionate about flying. You will always get a second chance. Someday when you are interviewing at a major you will have a great story about how you overcame adversity early in your career.
 

filejw

Well-known member
Joined
Dec 18, 2001
Posts
1,135
Total Time
25000
Lots of good advise here but the main thing I would stress after 30 years is Your Scan... make sure its more than up to snuff..
 

Bjammin

Cease Buzzer
Joined
May 13, 2004
Posts
585
Total Time
>6000
Great stuff on this thread!

I went from single seat military to the 747-400 and almost washed out. (Needed 3 checkrides to get me through.) I found I was focused way too much on studying the company policys and systems and not enough on the actual day to day line flying.
I went to www.precisionmanuals.com, downloaded my aircraft, and went through flows and normal flight procedures many times a day for a week. It got my focus back on the meat and potatoes of flying, which is what checkers are looking for.

Don't give up if aviation is your passion. Get some more experience then focus on what's important.
 

realmanofgenius

midget wih a big penis
Joined
Dec 19, 2007
Posts
117
Total Time
7000
it would appear that many of the guys here would be the ones you'd want to fly on the line with.
this is that bump in the road some like to call it. the fact is we have all had one. tom brady can throw an interception. look at the story of Eli manning last year. They tried to run him out of town and now he is the star of the greatest play in superbowl history. and the game winner.

the point is this is small potatoes for you. just like a stall recovery , Max power, hold atlitude and clean up .... and go forward. learn from this because failure is a great teacher. no one in life that accomplished anything didn't fail many times...

you'll the love the story of these guys. IN 1953 Rockland chemical tried to create a rust preventive chemical for the aerospace industry. After 40 attempts, it succeeded...WD40 stands for water displacement 40th attempt..

so start smiling and get back out there and go for it...
 

ponder

Sometime Dead's Better
Joined
Nov 22, 2003
Posts
92
Total Time
12000+
Your instructor probably sucked.
 

CoolSidePillow

RealEyesRealizeRealLies
Joined
Oct 18, 2005
Posts
504
Total Time
6000+
Awwwww, there is so much love in the air. You suck and should go work at McD's. There are plenty of qualified pilots who do not fail punk azz regional training who are or will be out of a job for reasons they have nothing to do with. Yeah, I said it. So what?
 

BigPappa

Name is Mitch Buchannon
Joined
Oct 4, 2004
Posts
367
Total Time
Mucho!
CoolsidePillow,

You have a bad and selfish character (probably a bad moral charachter too, usually goes hand in hand). That makes you a blow to man kind, with that attitude that you have it is just a matter of time before things don't work out for ya! Hope to never have to fly with a punk azz like YOU!
 
Top