Captain Mike Best has resigned as President of the NPA. WHAT!!!

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This is bad news for the pilots of AirTran Airways, but good news for Mrs. Kolski.
 

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If AAI pilots are getting ready to decertify NPA, why is this bad news?
 

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Well the pilots here are never happy with ANYONE or ANYTHING. There are about 100-200 blowhards here that just complain all the time. I am sure they do the same at home !!

Now they want ALPA. Yeah look at Comair's and ASA's MEC just imposed money to be given into funds without the pilots agreeing to. You will pay this and no vote!!!

I would rather us fight in house then with national ALPA.

13,000 pilots on one side of airport or
1600 pilots on C and D....

Who do you think they will take care of?

If you want insurance=look up harvery watt .com

Are the blowhards going to run? Lets see what you guys can do?
 

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*yawn*

Same old scare tactics, Scarlet.

The pilots keep trying to put someone in office who will take a HARDLINE stance, then that person starts playing the political game.

I don't know why it's so difficult to comprehend:

NO side letters
NO givebacks
NO concessions
NO favors
NO waivers

Until there is a new T.A. on the table with substantial increases in pay and QOL and ALL the outstanding grievances are resolved.

Period. It's what the pilots want, not just a few "blowhards", as evidenced by the recalls, who wins the elections, etc. They just have to learn to keep up the hard-line stance AFTER they make it into office.

Incidentally, Scarlet, evidently you're still too new to union work to understand, but it's normally about 15-20% of the pilot group who are EVER active at ANY airline. The other 80-85% just do their job and go home, and about half of those ever even bother to vote. This pilot group is pretty par for the course in that regard.
 

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Who is Mrs Kolski?
 

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Well the pilots here are never happy with ANYONE or ANYTHING. There are about 100-200 blowhards here that just complain all the time. I am sure they do the same at home !!

Now they want ALPA. Yeah look at Comair's and ASA's MEC just imposed money to be given into funds without the pilots agreeing to. You will pay this and no vote!!!

I would rather us fight in house then with national ALPA.

13,000 pilots on one side of airport or
1600 pilots on C and D....

Who do you think they will take care of?

If you want insurance=look up harvery watt .com

Are the blowhards going to run? Lets see what you guys can do?
My paychecks are still going to come from Airtran after the ALPA merger. ALPA really has no say on which Atlanta hubbed airline will do better economically. Bob Fornaro and Richard Anderson will determine the path each airline takes financially. ALPA will just help us negotiate a contract that is fair to both the pilots and the company.

The good news is Jet A is still south of $1.50/gallon and total RASM guidance (including the new bag fees, etc) is flat to down 1% which means Airtran is going to have a very good first quarter and probably 2009. ALPA is not going to change that.

There might be some legit arguments against ALPA, but the they are going to take care of Delta and forget Airtran isn't one of them. If Airtran pilots don't get a new improved contract, that means a lower cost structure at Airtran for Delta to compete against. Delta pilots realize this and want us to get a new better contract.
 

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don't know why it's so difficult to comprehend:

Lear
NO side letters- ALPA has approved many in the past
NO givebacks-Ask the Midwest Alpa pilots?
NO concessions-yeah look at the last 10 years with alpa carriers
NO favors-ASK DAL/CAL/ASA/Comair/Midwest all alpa
NO waivers-DAL MEC just approved more 76 seaters..pilots are real happy about that! Ask some.

Yeah I guess almost 14 years in the airline industry, I have not been around to much union work before. ??
 

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If Airtran pilots don't get a new improved contract, that means a lower cost structure at Airtran for Delta to compete against. Delta pilots realize this and want us to get a new better contract.
So we should take a pay cut to remain competitive against DAL? I'm confused, what is it Delta pilots realize again?
 

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scarlet I think ALPA coming to Airtran is all but a gurantee. If your truely afraid of ALPA then why dont you volunteer to be in the union. That way if you dont see something you like you can blow the whistle. Push for the Memrat to be passed after ALPA gets voted in so nothing like the MEC deal at DAL can happen without the approval of the pilot group. Honestly I really do see where everyones point of view that comes out from the anti-ALPA group. Also I can honestly say that I would like to have individuals like you be involved in the process cause you would bring the devil's advocate to the table.
 

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don't know why it's so difficult to comprehend:

Lear
NO side letters- ALPA has approved many in the past
NO givebacks-Ask the Midwest Alpa pilots?
NO concessions-yeah look at the last 10 years with alpa carriers
NO favors-ASK DAL/CAL/ASA/Comair/Midwest all alpa
NO waivers-DAL MEC just approved more 76 seaters..pilots are real happy about that! Ask some.

Yeah I guess almost 14 years in the airline industry, I have not been around to much union work before. ??
I guess not. Because you're talking about all the OTHER carriers and not what the pilots of AIRTRAN want, which is what I'm talking about and the only thing you, and anyone else who seeks to understand this pilot group, should be thinking about.

Forget what everyone else is doing and getting, and start worrying about our own house. All those things I typed are what the MAJORITY of our pilots want. If they didn't, we'd have ratified T.A. 2 over a year and a half ago, would not have had multiple recalls, and would not be voting on ALPA this week.

It's not rocket science...
 

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So we should take a pay cut to remain competitive against DAL? I'm confused, what is it Delta pilots realize again?
Delta pilots want Airtran pilots to get a new improved contract so Airtran's costs increase. The market will eventually work to close any large cost differences between two competing airlines. There are two ways to close the cost gap. Help support Airtran pilots in obtaining a fair contract which will increase Airtran's costs or reduce Delta's costs (like they did in their 18 month bankruptcy proceedings).

Which way do you think is more favorable to Delta pilots?
 

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I would like to get some feed back from LINE PILOTS from other ALPA carriers and what are their thoughts about the support that they have received. I do not want to get the "sale pitch" from whatever MEC happens to be on the schedule. I do not want to hear how great ALPA will be from the kool-aid drinkers. I want a real person's perspective from pilots who do not want to get political and entrench themselves in quest for the holy grail in Herndon.
So far the feed back that I have received from Delta, United and other ALPA pilots flying the line is that a large portion of the MEC folks are looking for something to segue into a job with national or with management.

Any other LINE PILOTS care to share the positives and negatives of their MEC and ALPA national's representation?

Please.... legitimate issues without embellishment...
 

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Here are a few facts.

ALPA (and the IATA) are the only organizations that have permanent standing observer status at ICAO.

ALPA is a member of the transportation trades department or ttd.org

ALPA is the most effective pilot lobby group on CapHill. ALPA recently testified before Congress addressing these issues, including Flt 1549 https://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules...iew.aspx?itemid=17935&ModuleId=15681&Tabid=73

https://www.alpa.org/DesktopModules...ew.aspx?itemid=17826&ModuleId=15831&Tabid=206

ALPA is a leader in IFALPA.org the International Federation of Air Line Pilots. ALPA's 1st VP is the Deputy President at IFALPA

ALPA is part of the Int'l Transport Workers Federation. http://www.itfglobal.org/civil-aviation/index.cfm

ALPA is the only pilot representation that has meet with senior WH staff including the Vice President.
Airtran pilots might ask, what does all this have to do with us, we are just a good ol' boy southern airline. All the laws that effect Airtran pilots are determined without Airtran pilot contribution or input. With forreign ownership and cabatoge over the next hill, there is nothing local about Airtran anymore.

The ALPA website is complete with information about what ALPA provides.

Most pilots want to know, What is my union or ALPA going to do for my wallet? Before your union can really do much for your wallet, it has to secure a professional foundation of respect and trust with industry.

Your dues with ALPA will be less form what I understand, but also know that some of your dues will go to 'professional' aspects such as safety and engineering, accident investigation and human factor studies.

Compare the NPA website with the ALPA website.
 
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