Captain Mike Best has resigned as President of the NPA. WHAT!!!

[Nindiri]

So what's the deal with a certain Capt over on the NPA board? The guy started off making some reasonable posts regarding ALPA, but lately, as ALPA appears certain to win, he's just about gone off the deep-end attacking anyone and anything remotely connected to ALPA.

 

[Uppercrust]

take alook at the mailout we got in the mail the other day. With a few exceptions, the airlines that alpa represents suck. Sorry to be brutally honest, but thats just my opinion.

RV

Sorry to say you guys won't be the exception!:laugh:

 

[Lear70]

So what's the deal with a certain Capt over on the NPA board? The guy started off making some reasonable posts regarding ALPA, but lately, as ALPA appears certain to win, he's just about gone off the deep-end attacking anyone and anything remotely connected to ALPA.

You mean the guy who is so concerned about an alleged "list" and this his name is "allegedly" on it and that it's "allegedly illegal" to even POSSESS such a list, and on and on and on...

That guy?

I think he's concerned over his community service requirement if it goes through. Personally, I think it's one hell of a deal, all things considered, but I digress...

 

[hairball1173]

Please help the first airline folk with this "list". The whole scary law suite aspect and why we live in the past?

 

[Lear70]

There's no lawsuit unless you are actively distributing said list in a way intended to defame, libel, or slander someone on it, or in a way to discriminate against them in any way, form, or fashion.

This does, however, preclude most people from distributing the list because,,, well,,, what else are you going to do with it in most circumstances? YOU may not be intending to do anything but see who's on it, but the next guy might be intending to use it in reciprocity for past grievances.

In this case, people "live in the past" because the only deterrent to being a Scab is the fallout from what happens if you DO cross an established picket line to fly "struck work".

Their thought is, if you make it painful enough for them, and the whole world sees what happens to them professionally and personally, people would be much less likely to Scab the next time.

This isn't to say I agree or disagree with the list, but if we ever had a strike at AirTran, even a CHAOS action, once legal and released by the courts, I'd be pretty hateful of pilots who crossed while we were trying to improve our situation in life. You can bet I'd remember who they were. Forever.

That's what the people who formed those lists were doing. To them, I imagine it's very personal. Wouldn't it be to you if YOU were the one getting shat on by your fellow pilots while you tried to make everyone's life better?

It's not the past I'm worried about; it's our future, and Scabs would be our worst enemy during a legal job action.

 

[hairball1173]

Yes, I agree with what you have said. I however, disagree, with the "list" of "people" that do not effect my job or the future of my job. Maybe I live in a dream world but the day of "scab" is gone. Its job or no job.

 

[eaglesview]

Maybe I live in a dream world but the day of "scab" is gone. Its job or no job.

You do.

 

[Lear70]

You do.

Ditto.

The "job or no job" approach is why we haven't gotten anywhere in negotiations with the company. They don't believe the pilots have the cajones to STFD. NOTHING else is going to work with this management group except the REAL risk of shutting down their cash flow via legal job action. Period. The end.

If you would cross a picket line, then you are my enemy, and the enemy of your coworkers who wish to improve their lot in life. Knowing who, among us, is going to cross that line is an invaluable tool.

I've had it up to here with people who justify their ethically- or morally-poor choices just to protect their "job". Absolute spineless, worthless, leeches on society. Jobs come and go, and there's always a way to feed and shelter your family, even if it's outside of aviation.

Honor is forever.

What you have to ask yourself is, "What kind of person are you?"

 

[BigMeat]

Problem with airtran and voting in ALPA is there are alot of dirty stinkin scabs there. Some of them read this board also. That is the reason that they guys are having such an internal struggle. I really hope that you scabs at airtran just quit, get hit by a car, contract aids or any of the above. I have worked with your type and dont like it much.

 

[twepilot]

dude, you need to go on 02 quick. And get off the computer in flight.

RV

 

[Kharma Police]

ortscheid..

You go by Richard or do most people call you D!ck?

 

[Britpilot]

Problem with airtran and voting in ALPA is there are alot of dirty stinkin scabs there.

How many exactly? Please inform us.

 

[Britpilot]

Sorry to say you guys won't be the exception!:laugh:

Don't worry, nor are you.:nuts:

 

[twepilot]

IFF Kharma...

RV

 

[Kharma Police]

IFF Kharma...

RV

Just joking, Richard!

 

[hairball1173]

The "job or no job" approach is why we haven't gotten anywhere in negotiations with the company

No, we haven't gotten anywhere is because "people" haven't done their job which is to figure out what the pilot group wants. Hopefully new resources will help that. You missed my point and lost everything in translation as usual. The choice is yours wether you want to work with the people or not. I would never cross a picket line and don't you assume I would Rich. Watch it!!!!!!! with making something personal.

 

[twepilot]

stay cool blood...

RV

 

[hairball1173]

Step away from the gate agent Find the happy place. I am happy I got recalled. Yeah baby.

 

[twepilot]

whoo hoo!!

RV

 

[Lear70]

The "job or no job" approach is why we haven't gotten anywhere in negotiations with the company

No, we haven't gotten anywhere is because "people" haven't done their job which is to figure out what the pilot group wants. Hopefully new resources will help that.

Incorrect.

"People" absolutely *HAVE* done their job (I'm assuming you're talking about union leadership) through the Wilson Polling. They know EXACTLY what the MAJORITY of the pilot group wants, which demographics lean the hardest in which direction, where the greatest frustration lies, and how many pilots ARE willing to walk the line, and how many would likely cross.

What the union leadership has NOT done is ACT on the information, presenting a clear and concise plan of action, releasing enough of the polling data to support WHY they are moving in that direction, along with the Financial data from the company that shows WHY the union leadership believes their approach to be reasonable in the long-term, and rally the pilot group behind that plan of action.

You missed my point and lost everything in translation as usual.

I'm just responding to what you wrote; the danger of a message board is that, unless you are VERY specific, anything can be "lost in translation". I'll recap again, to explain why I interpreted it the way I did.

Maybe I live in a dream world but the day of "scab" is gone. Its job or no job.

How that came across, at least to me, was that "the day of the "scab" is gone", meaning you don't care if people scab or not. Then you said, "It's job or no job" meaning you either cross the picket line and have a job or you go on strike and you don't.

Incidentally, when I say "you", I don't mean YOU specifically, I mean "people" in a general sense. I didn't go on the attack, you'd know it if I did. Read the other thread going on where I (and just about everyone else) thrashed Scarlet around a bit for his views.

The choice is yours wether you want to work with the people or not.

See, this is what I'm talking about. I don't know who you mean with this sentence. Are you talking about working with the scabs we have at AirTran? I think ALPA is working with them VERY well, including giving them VERY generous terms to repay their debts that has NEVER been offered before in ALPA history.

If you're talking about working with FUTURE scabs, then no, there's no "working with them" or not. They deserve to be ostracized for ACTIVELY undermining their fellow employees.

If you're talking about working with the company? That ship has sailed. Management has NO interest in working with us for FAIR contract gains. Those who can't see that need to either come out from under the rock they've been hiding under or need serious counseling for the "battered wife syndrome" they evidently live with.

I would never cross a picket line and don't you assume I would Rich. Watch it!!!!!!! with making something personal.

Again, I wasn't trying to make it personal, the whole middle part of that post was rhetorical, as in how I feel about people who WOULD cross, and that's why the last line of that post says, "What you have to figure out is, what kind of person are you?" I'm very glad to know you wouldn't.

Most of this is MUCH better discussed over a frosty beverage, so much of feeling and body language is simply lost on a message board, so sorry if I offended, wasn't intended to offend anyone except the Scabs...

Congratulations on recall, hope to see you back online someday myself.