CAPT Grounded - Karma Prevails!

[Amish RakeFight]

Ninja, you're a case study for me in human behavior.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

Skip out on the bill? That is the problem today. Nobody taking responsibility for their own actions. Other than his initial lapse of judgment in signing up for the program, at least he is paying his debts, unlike most of society now days.

 

[Flying Ninja]

Sig, now I know you don't know what you are talking about. I'm not going to explain what happened to me anymore. It's over for me in aviation. My only goal in life is to keep people informed of the unethical practices of CAPT in hopes that people will never have to experience what I and some others did. My story is only to support that goal. I really don't care if you or anyone else think I could have made it. I was there staring at the financials. You send me a solution back in January 2006 how I was going to get a flying job with $2000 to my name and $1000/month payments and we'll talk. Until then, you STFU, captain.

PS, American Eagle wanted 800/100 back in summer 2006.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Skip out on the bill? That is the problem today. Nobody taking responsibility for their own actions. Other than his initial lapse of judgment in signing up for the program, at least he is paying his debts, unlike most of society now days.

This guy is living at home with his parents and paying back a 100K + loan. According to his posts from other threads, he has to pay back somewhere around $2K+ every month for a LOAN. Imagine working to pay $2K+ every month to some bank for what he perceives as a fruitless endeavor?

Call me what you will, but if I were in his position, I'd save the money I'm earning and start a new life. So what if you default on the loan. No one is going to lend you money wit ha low paying job and that kind of debt. I wonder what his CC debts are. He needs to move on with life. Paying that bill for the next 20 yrs is going to kill you, unless you have a well paying job, which doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Flying Ninja]

Amish, get your facts right. The monthly on the loan was $1000 per month. And I have moved on with my career. Man you have a thick skull...sheesh...

 

[say again]

Did you get any interviews w/ the companies that they sent your resume to?

 

[Sig]

So the FOs that were hired here at PDT that graduated from CAPT- how did they do it?

I won't STFU, you whiny little twat, as long as you're whinging away on the forums.

I get furious because it seems you threw your hands up in resignation because it was just too durned TOUGH to buy a job. *sob* Ya... ya mean... I have to work a little?

Good luck, whatever you do.

 

[Flying Ninja]

Did you get any interviews w/ the companies that they sent your resume to?

They didn't send my resume out to any of their "affiliates". I did ask them in Feb/2006 to send it to Air Wisconsin. Supposedly they mailed it out a whole month later. They had my resume since Oct/2005 ready to go. I guess it takes a lot to print out my resume, stuff an envelope, seal it, stamp it, address it, and mail it.

And no word from Air Wisconsin.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Ninja, you may not realize it, but your diatribe is very transparent. You're no longer going to garner any sympathy for your situation.

 

[kf4amu]

You send me a solution back in January 2006 how I was going to get a flying job with $2000 to my name and $1000/month payments and we'll talk. Until then, you STFU, captain.

PS, American Eagle wanted 800/100 back in summer 2006.

Get a different job and wait until the flying jobs show up. I luckily got hired at PDT with 360 hours, but no debt. First year W2 was 39,500 which would have been enough to pay 1000 dollars a month in student loans, if I had them.

 

[Flying Ninja]

Amish, AGAIN, my goal is not to solicit sympathy. I'm over chasing the airline career. My ONLY goal is to spread the word that CAPT is not the place to train. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

 

[kf4amu]

Amish, AGAIN, my goal is not to solicit sympathy. I'm over chasing the airline career. My ONLY goal is to spread the word that CAPT is not the place to train. Why is this so hard for you to understand?

Change your message. Instead of saying "DONT GO TO CAPT!"

say...

"There is no guaranteed shortcut!"


I was perfectly content with paying for my CFI/II and instructing (I like teaching) or flying freight (I still want to), but I couldnt pass up the opportunity that happened to come along.

The problem is people think they deserve a job because of some "special" training they paid a lot of money for. Yes, that company may have given them empty promises, but if you listen to enough corporate earnings conference calls, you will realize every CEO makes empty promises. It's part of life, and there are always ways to get out of the legalities of making that "commitment".

Many of us have lost money making stupid decisions in life. You just lost a lot more than normal.

 

[J.Otto]

so do you think you could command a dc-9, now that you're typed in it? that deal sounds gimmicky. why woulda new pilot require a type in a dc-9? its a selling point. thats a lot of debt too. do you still have an interst in flying on the side? you should. maybe it'll revive some aspirations. also, talk to a lawyer or something. maybe this can get fixed.

 

[Secret Squirrel]

This guy is living at home with his parents and paying back a 100K + loan. According to his posts from other threads, he has to pay back somewhere around $2K+ every month for a LOAN. Imagine working to pay $2K+ every month to some bank for what he perceives as a fruitless endeavor?

Call me what you will, but if I were in his position, I'd save the money I'm earning and start a new life. So what if you default on the loan. No one is going to lend you money wit ha low paying job and that kind of debt. I wonder what his CC debts are. He needs to move on with life. Paying that bill for the next 20 yrs is going to kill you, unless you have a well paying job, which doesn't seem to be the case.

Its not my fault I could not afford my mortgage, they gave me more than I could afford.

The credit card companies should not have given me $100,000 in credit if they did not want me to spend it.

It was not my fault I got drunk and killed those people, the bartender served me too much.

So what if my company lost a trillion dollars last year, I need a 50 million dollar jet and a 2 million dollar toilet with a 100 million dollar golden parachute.


IT IS CALLED ETHICS AND PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Something this country is lacking and is the reason we are in our situation.

 

[Flying Ninja]

so do you think you could command a dc-9, now that you're typed in it? that deal sounds gimmicky. why woulda new pilot require a type in a dc-9? its a selling point. thats a lot of debt too. do you still have an interst in flying on the side? you should. maybe it'll revive some aspirations. also, talk to a lawyer or something. maybe this can get fixed.

When I graduated, I felt very confident in flying that DC-9 simulator and run the procedures. As for commanding it, even I knew that I was a far cry from PIC in that type. It never ever crossed my mind. I knew back then, and I still support this sentiment that commanding a jet takes years of experience.

Yes, that DC-9 was a selling point. But not to me. It was a selling point for CAPT to sell to the regional airlines. The pitch they gave us was that "with that DC-9 type, you proved to the airlines that you can be trained and handle jet flying and that puts you a cut above the rest". Yeah, to me, flight time was more valuable, hence the reason why I decided early in my days at CAPT to fly outside of the program above and beyond the 225 hours CAPT gave us.

I do fly today, for fun. But it's getting to the point where it's rather boring and I'm finding myself exploring that envelope to keep interested, which, I also know is not a safe attitude. I'm working towards my CFI but it costs money and I don't have a lot of it to spread around...but at least I have time on my side to go at the pace that I can afford.

I did speak to a lawyer after I got out of the program and showed them all the literature and web site print outs at the time. The lawyer basically told me that everything I showed him was written by a lawyer to carefully deceive the consumer. He advised me that next time I decide to spend a vast amount of money to consult a lawyer first. And I think he's right. And hence, why I think it's absolutely important that people know that scam programs like CAPT is out there, and that they need to be aware. Fundamentally, I love aviation. And I hate to see good people befallen to a fate that I did because I was not well advised. Unfortunately, my message didn't reach the 160+ Chinese students who will walk out of there with nothing. And this incident is becoming very publicized and I'm hoping that the Chinese government will intervene since $16 million dollars is not exactly a small chunk of money they took from these students.