Can anyone understand "problems" with NWA's seniority list?

[nwaredtail]

. But, how do we get there

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First, you have to remember who the first pilot group to give up scope was. Hint: who has the most systemwide RJ's

 

[michael707767]

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First, you have to remember who the first pilot group to give up scope was. Hint: who has the most systemwide RJ's

The Delta pilots have messed up huge in the past, allowing way to much outsourcing. The union has time and time again tried to give us reasons that it is good to allow more and bigger RJs, and to this day they deny it has cost us one pilot job. We all know that is pure B*llSh*t.

That said, having watched what went on here, why did the NWA pilots follow right down the same path we did?

It really doesn't matter who gave up scope first. You guys were stupid enough to do the same thing even after you saw the damage RJs have done here.

 

[Noserider76]

It really doesn't matter who gave up scope first. You guys were stupid enough to do the same thing even after you saw the damage RJs have done here.

And Compass took the thing to a whole new level of outsourcing.

 

[Fly4hire]

Lazarus did not need a new paint job, interior and a C Check.

It doesn't anymore than any other aircraft to make it standard with the DAL scheme. If you want to time the aircraft out on C checks you'll need to about 2024 before they are all gone.

As far as using to pressure against other 100 seat manufacturers, there are none that can provide 100 plus airframes today, or even in 5 years, and it's not to go against the DCI carriers - they are getting smaller and their contracts redone either way.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

It doesn't anymore than any other aircraft to make it standard with the DAL scheme. If you want to time the aircraft out on C checks you'll need to about 2024 before they are all gone.

As far as using to pressure against other 100 seat manufacturers, there are none that can provide 100 plus airframes today, or even in 5 years, and it's not to go against the DCI carriers - they are getting smaller and their contracts redone either way.

There is a lot in play here. DCI contracts can be redone every five years as their contracts it these dates. They are coming up very soon. Pressure of a DC-9 or 717 in this economy would make a CEO think twice before telling the parent company to go pound sand.
These DC-9's and 717's are a interim 100 seat jet. They along with the 90's are available. As we can use them to drive costs down at DCI, we can also use DCI and the 9's to drive down the asking price of these other jets. It is one big game. Trust me it is being played.

 

[Full of LUV]

It seems pretty clear....

As you can see from my ramblings, both private and public i ain't to quick.. Could you make your last sentance below mo clear???

He is eluding to the fact that if you threaten to unretire a small fleet of DC9's from the desert, it forces potential suppliers of similar sized airplanes to "sharpen their pencil" in negotiations as the recall of DC9 can cost whatever DAL says it costs, but an EMB for example costs what EMB says.

 

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The Delta pilots have messed up huge in the past, allowing way to much outsourcing. The union has time and time again tried to give us reasons that it is good to allow more and bigger RJs, and to this day they deny it has cost us one pilot job. We all know that is pure B*llSh*t.

Our union still has the same fundamental view with regard to outsourcing flying. ALPA's membership that cares is going to have to take responsibility for changing our Representatives' approach to the issue.

It is something that interested people need to talk to their Reps about every time that they see them.

 

[Superpilot92]

The Delta pilots have messed up huge in the past, allowing way to much outsourcing. The union has time and time again tried to give us reasons that it is good to allow more and bigger RJs, and to this day they deny it has cost us one pilot job. We all know that is pure B*llSh*t.

It really doesn't matter who gave up scope first.

Exactly! What DOES matter is who the first group to stand up and say no more is. That group can be Delta, especially with the size of our pilot group now.

 

[Schwanker]

And Compass took the thing to a whole new level of outsourcing.

Really? CPZ is set to take delivery of 36 76-seat jets. Each and everyone of these seats are available to NWA pilots in the event of furlough.

How is this a new level?

RJs play a smaller role in the NWA system than most.

Schwanker

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Compass pilots are basically a b-scale NWA.

So, NWA had some of the lowest rates in the industry and had a b-scale. Congrats.