Bull Sh*t Resumes

[atlcrashpad]

I surf the internet during my spare time (a lot lately, since two surgeries on back). I ran across a web site that has quite a few pilot resumes. I was surprised at the number of pilots that are totally full of crap when it comes to their time.

Come on, one guy claimed to have 4320 TT and 4267 of it PIC. I'll do the math for you, that's 53 hours of dual and or sic. He also claims to be a commercial rated pilot with multi engine rating. Now, that is some pilot to only have 53 hours dual to reach FAA Commercial standards.

Other's claim to have graduated from aviation universities and been chief pilot(s) for every company that they have ever worked for. Guys, this is why your resumes are not getting calls. You are full of SH*T and it shows.

 

[a&p cfiguy]

Just checked my logbook. Last I added up I had 1594.7 TT and 1528.9 PIC. That's 65.8 hours difference. I don't see how 53 hours is so impossible? It takes 40 hours to get a PPL, 10 of which is solo PIC. So that leaves 30 hours of dual so far. Everything after a PPL is logged PIC even if it's dual. One expection is the multi. There's another 10 hours or so dual. So far that's a difference of 40 hours. I never logged my complex time before I had a complex endorsement (even though there's the whole arguement of acting pic and logging pic, I felt it best to just let it go and not log pic). So there's another 10 hours or so, even though you supposedly CAN log it PIC. Then there's the high performance dual before getting the high performance endorsement (again even though you can supposedly log it PIC, I didn't).

So I'm still not getting why this difference of 53 hours is so unbelievable. If you ask me, I say this guy is pretty good.

 

[starvingcfi]

it's 20 dual, 10 solo, 10 unspecified...i think

 

[avbug]

That ratio of time and instruction received is probably quite correct. I show more total time in my log, but probably close to the same amount of instruction received.

My instruction received, PIC, and SIC add to equal total time. If I've been receiving instruction at a time when it could also be logged as either PIC or SIC, it's reflected as PIC or SIC, and doesn't show up in the instruction received totals, though it shows on the page where it was logged.

This makes accounting for time a lot easier. Showing relatively little instruction received as it's own category, as time that can't be logged any other way, is appropriate.

The poster who started the thread, however, is merely flame bait, looking for arguement. Forget it.

 

[Steve]

That ratio of time and instruction received is probably quite correct. I show more total time in my log, but probably close to the same amount of instruction received.

My instruction received, PIC, and SIC add to equal total time. If I've been receiving instruction at a time when it could also be logged as either PIC or SIC, it's reflected as PIC or SIC, and doesn't show up in the instruction received totals, though it shows on the page where it was logged.

This makes accounting for time a lot easier. Showing relatively little instruction received as it's own category, as time that can't be logged any other way, is appropriate.

The poster who started the thread, however, is merely flame bait, looking for arguement. Forget it.

Avbug,

Off topic question. Do you have any time in the 0-480 powered Pilatus PC-6 or know anything about them? Im thinking of using one in skydiving ops. Any info you can share would be great. Thanks

 

[atlcrashpad]

The poster who started the thread, however, is merely flame bait, looking for arguement. Forget it.[/quote]

Avbug,

It wasn't flame bait. It was serious. Most people take more than the FAA part 61 minimums. Saying that you have X number of hours and only a small (minimum) number of either dual and/or SIC is B.S.

At my airline we see thousands of resumes. I'm not in the hiring dept, however, I have a lot of friends there. They see right through the BS resumes. I was merely pointing out that might be the reason those not getting any calls back might want to relook their resumes.

I've got my 121 Capt position. My resume shows PIC, SIC, dual recieved and Co-Pilot (PI) time from my early days in the Army.

I also don't put Chief Pilot on my resume if it is a Single Pilot operation. Chief of what? Myself?

 

[Immelman]

Nearly all of my dual received after PPL has been logged as dual received... and pilot in command (as I was the sole manipulator of the controls).

...so tell me what the total time vs PIC breakdown should be for a 4000 hour CFI? (as an example).

 

[atlcrashpad]

Just checked my logbook. Last I added up I had 1594.7 TT and 1528.9 PIC. That's 65.8 hours difference. I don't see how 53 hours is so impossible? It takes 40 hours to get a PPL, 10 of which is solo PIC. So that leaves 30 hours of dual so far. Everything after a PPL is logged PIC even if it's dual. One expection is the multi. There's another 10 hours or so dual. So far that's a difference of 40 hours. I never logged my complex time before I had a complex endorsement (even though there's the whole arguement of acting pic and logging pic, I felt it best to just let it go and not log pic). So there's another 10 hours or so, even though you supposedly CAN log it PIC. Then there's the high performance dual before getting the high performance endorsement (again even though you can supposedly log it PIC, I didn't).

So I'm still not getting why this difference of 53 hours is so unbelievable. If you ask me, I say this guy is pretty good.

A&P CFI Guy,

1500TT and 65 dual, not off the mark. The guy I'm talking about claims to have 4320TT and 4267 PIC. He is either Rich, Full of crap or one Lucky Bastard to get a PIC gig straight out of the chute. On this resume in question, there is time at a "Commuter" airline and I know of no airline that hires PIC's with no previous 121 time. In fact almost no chance of that happening. Even though my carrier "Junior Manned" guys to captain. Most were 135 or 121 experienced.

 

[moving2vegas]

atl....you don't get it do you? Everything after your private is PIC, unless your flying a plane requiring two pilots. Not all of us spent years raising and lowering the flaps. Believe it or not, some of us don't want to fly for the airlines.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Straight from FAR Part 61.51

(e) Logging pilot-in-command flight time. (1) A sport, recreational, private, or commercial pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person—
(i) Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated or has privileges;
(ii) Is the sole occupant of the aircraft; or
(iii) Except for a recreational pilot, is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted.

I doubt that after your PPL was issued and you took more training or Bi annuals that you held the controls 100% of the time. The CFI had to take the controls for at least a demo.



CFI's are the exception, but I refered to guys who were claiming 121 or 135 time. Either way, there are exceptions and if you can justify it go ahead. If not be prepared to answer during your interview for questionable time.

(3) An authorized instructor may log as pilot-in-command time all flight time while acting as an authorized instructor.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Resumes

atl....you don't get it do you? Everything after your private is PIC, unless your flying a plane requiring two pilots. Not all of us spent years raising and lowering the flaps. Believe it or not, some of us don't want to fly for the airlines.

Moving2Vegas,

You are wrong on the after your Private/PIC issue. Read the Reg's FAA 61.51. The reason for my posting is these guys posting their resumes ARE trying to fly for the airlines. If it doesn't apply to you, ignore the post.

 

[moving2vegas]

"Is the sole manipulator of the controls of an aircraft for which the pilot is rated"

you proved my point.....doesn't say anything about 121 or 135 time. If you have the rating and your hands on the controls...your PIC. Oops, minus the 3 minutes for the instructor to take the controls and log PIC the entire time.

 

[ePilot22]

PIC vs. TT

Thanks Vegas! You must have posted while I was reading, but your are correct and I would like to defer ATL to FAR 61.51(e)(3), hence time-building opportunities for CFIs.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Resumes

I doubt that the CFI only touches the controls for 3 min out of an hour. But, hey you don't want to fly for the airlines anyway. What does it matter to you? And there is exceptions for CFI's. See my post.

 

[ePilot22]

A CFI doesn't have to touch the controls, they just have to act as a flight instructor to log PIC time. A rated pilot can log all time as PIC as well. Read ALL of 61.51.

 

[moving2vegas]

You're a poor looser ATL

 

[atlcrashpad]

Resumes

A CFI doesn't have to touch the controls, they just have to act as a flight instructor to log PIC time. A rated pilot can log all time as PIC as well. Read ALL of 61.51.

EPilot22,

Read my third post. I posted the exception for instructors.

 

[atlcrashpad]

resumes

You're a poor looser ATL

moving2vegas,

I've obviously hit a nerve with you. Like I said this is just a reminder for guys who want to get on with Air Carriers. You implied that you don't. So ignore the posting.

 

[a&p cfiguy]

Just because there is only a difference of 55 hours from PIC to TT does not mean this guy only has 55 dual. After you get your private, you log dual and PIC for your instrument, commercial, etc. There is a difference of 65 hours in my TT and PIC time. However, I have around 185 dual. This is the way everybody I know does it! Now if the guy is showing 55 hours dual, then you've got a problem. As for logging 4500 hours PIC, what's wrong with that?? Maybe he got a frieght job. Those jobs build hours very quickly. And its all single pilot PIC.

 

[DC8 Flyer]

ATL

I think what these guys are trying to say is that not everyone goes from instructing to hauling checks, to commuter fo, to capt, to mainline fo, to captain. Some guys go right into hauling checks single pilot in light twins after instructing for a year and do it for a long time and thus have high PIC and little or no SIC with low dual recieved.

The question you should really be asking is why is someone in the hiring department so insecure with themselves that they are denying interviews to "qualified" people simply because there logbook doesn't look like his/hers.

As for the chief pilot thing, it is a title if someone was fullfilling the duties who is to say how many people have to be "under" them.

Not flaiming you and I do understand where you are coming from but all too often it is the person who is reading the resume who has the "bias" and is probably overlooking a good pilot/candidate.