Buffett Bites Back at NetJets Pilot Complaints

[fischman]

But what is the industry? If you believe Netjets, we define what "the industry" is due to our size and market share. If that's the case, then we have the industry norms by definition.

Does "the industry" include the major airlines? That's fine, but if so, we're due one hell of a huge pay raise to bring us "in line with industry norms."

They don't get to have it both ways.

Sorry to everyone else, but respectfully, WE ARE the industry. We are bigger than all our competitors COMBINED. Whatever we say the industry norms are is what they are, so I don't give a hoot about the NMB says.

 

[FamilyGuy]

Sorry to everyone else, but respectfully, WE ARE the industry. We are bigger than all our competitors COMBINED. Whatever we say the industry norms are is what they are, so I don't give a hoot about the NMB says.

Hmmmm... that sounds vaguely familiar. Didn't a bunch of US Air East pilots feel the same way? Aren't they still waiting for a new contract?

Like it or not, what the NMB says will matter and will have a profound impact on your lives.

 

[FamilyGuy]

If I were to be "CEO for a day" my first order of business would be to repair my relationship with my internal/external customers and vendors. NetJets needs to stop the trend of customers and employees leaving. We need every one of them.

You have my vote. That's exactly what needs to happen. Unfortunately the only way this will occur is when Jordan is shown the door.

 

[BobbyBiplane]

And what you negotiate. Your skills and experience could be possibly worth more, but if poorly negotiated, you're working at a discount...and vice versa.

The minute you come to work at a stated rate of pay you have established your worth. Fair Market Value is defined as what a buyer pays a willing seller. You are the seller who willingly supplies your service.

If you have a problem with your pay I recommend starting with the mirror.

Bob

 

[Diesel]

The minute you come to work at a stated rate of pay you have established your worth. Fair Market Value is defined as what a buyer pays a willing seller. You are the seller who willingly supplies your service.

If you have a problem with your pay I recommend starting with the mirror.

Bob

Or wait for the contract to be up and re negotiate.

It's the equivalent of looking in the mirror.

 

[fischman]

Hmmmm... that sounds vaguely familiar. Didn't a bunch of US Air East pilots feel the same way? Aren't they still waiting for a new contract?

Like it or not, what the NMB says will matter and will have a profound impact on your lives.

USair east guys did NOT own +65% of the market. Apples and oranges.

 

[AV8OR]

The minute you come to work at a stated rate of pay you have established your worth. Fair Market Value is defined as what a buyer pays a willing seller. You are the seller who willingly supplies your service.

If you have a problem with your pay I recommend starting with the mirror.

Bob

That's funny... I was under the impression is was all about supply and demand. High demand on oil with low quantities... Price goes up. High demand for qualified CEO's or College Football coaches... Price goes up. The shortage started burning it's way through the cargo carriers, has made its way to the Part 135 companies, and is starting to lick at the heels of the Fractionals.

CEO's renegotiate their contracts, coaches renegotiate theirs, time for pilots to do the same. The reflection in the mirror is crystal hoss. Lol

 

[FamilyGuy]

USair east guys did NOT own +65% of the market. Apples and oranges.

The fact that NJ controls 65+% of the market is a negative for you and your argument. The NMB is all about preventing national disruptions in the transportation space. The fact that NJ controls a majority share of the industry just means it will get greater scrutiny.

 

[FR8DOG777]

Nmb ain't gonna do a damn thing for you guys. I think family guy is related to twinky the kid. It's all past, present, and future. Bring the pressure to bear. You have a desirable product, you have market share, you have a looming pilot shortage. Fly the pledge. The nmb will get you no where

 

[FR8DOG777]

Dock workers can strike, tug boat drivers can strike, cargo ship captains can strike but as far as the nmb is concerned hell will freeze over before they let pilots strike again. You would have more success lobbying for nlrb law reformation than counting on being released to strike. Apply the appropriate pressure where needed

 

[gunfyter]

We didn't strike last time and we got a contract the naysayers said we'd never get.

"Ya gotta believe!"

Tug McGraw, 1969

 

[BentOver]

We didn't strike last time and we got a contract the naysayers said we'd never get.

"Ya gotta believe!"

Tug McGraw, 1969

$46k starting FO pay and a choice of 5 bases....

 

[ghostrider64]

$46k starting FO pay and a choice of 5 bases....

Twice as good as MESA LMAO

 

[gunfyter]

$46k starting FO pay and a choice of 5 bases....

That was during a time when airlines were furloughing and we were the only place hiring.

New hire pay we were able to increase to what the 1998 CBA had as 3 rd year PIC pay. We should be able to do better than that this time. New hire pay will be higher than current yr 3 PIC pay

 

[BobbyBiplane]

That's funny... I was under the impression is was all about supply and demand. High demand on oil with low quantities... Price goes up. High demand for qualified CEO's or College Football coaches... Price goes up. The shortage started burning it's way through the cargo carriers, has made its way to the Part 135 companies, and is starting to lick at the heels of the Fractionals.

CEO's renegotiate their contracts, coaches renegotiate theirs, time for pilots to do the same. The reflection in the mirror is crystal hoss. Lol

No sir, that is reality.

Again, the minute you accept substandard wages you are the problem. By your own statement, you accepted what you determined to be substandard (or, more charitably, less than what you believe you are worth).

Arguing that I/we will negotiate rates up belies the fact that YOU have already set the bar lower when you started at the lower rate.

It is not about what MAY happen but what HAS happened.

Good luck,
Bob