Brutal IPC

[TDTURBO]

Let me assure you, I am a current CFII and I have probably more experience in icing conditions than you have total time. I am also a current CFIG, so I know a thing or two about operating without an engine. To put it bluntly, your attitude and bravado are troubling; but hey, what do I and the other highly experienced pilots that frequent this board know. Teach us oh learned one.

'Sled



PS - I doubt if you would be able to get through one of my instrument compentency checks. I'd be surprised if we even got past the oral.

I wasn't refering to you, I am sure you would smoke me in an IPC and oral. I am or was looking for someone of your caliber, most CFI's around here don't know squat. You do, I will take advice from those I respect, not from tools with chips on their shoulders. Point taken.

 

[TDTURBO]

I have never personally known a law enforcement officer, from within the department in which I was employed, or without, who perjured himself or herself on the whitness stand, falsified a report, fabricated evidence, or otherwise tarnished the badge or the oath to which every one of us was sworn. I certainly never did, and if others did, I have no knowledge of it. I am quite confident and comfortable swearing to that fact before any jury or judge.

That officers may lie or perjur themselves is not for me to say. I have never known an officer who did, and that is the truth. Period.

Skydiving isn't dangerous. You are dangerous. Doubtless if you were to skydive, you'd be dangerous. Primarily to those directly underneath you...much like you are when you fly.





Cary did nothing wrong, you little putz. He certainly won't be losing his standing with the bar. He revealed your name on the internet and you threw a tizzy fit...folks know who you are and where you are, and you don't like that. Cary stepped aside, and wasn't "banned." He's considered by every member of the board to which you refer to be a well respected poster, as well as an intelligent contributor (and a valued one) of that particular forum.

Conversely, you are not. And it grates on you. Much like here.

The fact that you attempted to go after him in the manner you did, outside the board, screaming and threatening and attempting to damage his reputation and career, serves to show what a small, pathetic individual you are, as if your own words didn't do enough in that regard to convict you on any given day.

Give a man enough rope, and he hangs himself. For you, it only takes a few strands. Keep trying. I have faith in you.

Have you guessed where I am, yet? Surely you can do that, can't you? I'm closer than you think.

You said it I didn't, I gave him the rope and he hung himself, you better check your facts next time you post lies. He was banned, and is no longer a moderator, care to prove otherwise. I just showed you I wasn't banned.


Nice tri-motors huh?

 

[avbug]

Total Lie. Get a life.

It was a half hour and over Cedar Lake, IN on a message board that has categories for aerobatics, instrument, commercial and every other skill level known. I was relaying a great experience, something avbug is incapable of feeling or appreciating. He is a bitter, broken man with only the internet to comfort and sooth his ego, a sad man indeed.

Compared to your post of June 16, 2005...

The last couple days here in Chicago has been conducive to thermal cumulus build ups creating a lot of lift when above them. So yesterday I climbed to 10k with ½ tanks and my dog, pulled back to a 25 degree deck angle to slow the prop, killed the master, pulled the mixture and prop to freeze the rotation and trimmed it for 75 kts. It took .4 to get up to 10k and 1 hr of soaring over the airport until dead sticking in for landing.

I can say that after 22 years of flying, this had to be the most fun I ever had in an airplane, I had the windows open, the puppy had her nose out the window with just the sound of the air rushing by the airframe, all costing 0$.

So today I took my mom and Dad up to do the same, they never thought flying could be so much fun. Now I know what glider pilots feel like, what a blast.
If I wanted I could have stayed up for another hour due to the thermal lifting yesterday.

There is nothing like soaring around at 2 miles above the ground in pure silence but the wind rushing by. I am going to make this a weekly event, I just can't get enough of it.

If the day is hot and the clouds are rising, don't miss the chance, DO IT!

I was up for an hour and a half with .4 on the hobbs, you just can't beat that!

So here, you tell us it was an hour over Chicago, and you repeated the act with your parents on board...you vowed to make it a weekly event. Your puppy had it's nose out the window the whole time...really? Can't you get your stories straight?

Incidentally, that was on a message board frequented mostly by student and private pilots, where you have continued to splash your trash. Your quotes hang you.

 

[TDTURBO]

I guess you aren't aware of the fact the engine time at idle isn't equal to hobbs time. Our glide lasted 30 minutes and "over Chicago" means near Chicago for all those not familiar with the area. I don't need to ask your permission for anything let alone care what you think about anything. The second trip up also lasted a half hour which totalled an hour of glide time. You really need to get a job, good night, I'm working tomorrow.

I have done it so many times that each experience is different and lasts differently, it doesn't make a difference, either way you hate it when people use airplanes for fun, you just can't stand it. I am glad i make you miserable, the more I post the bigger chip you get on your shoulder. But it's getting late so I will be back tomorrow to post things that will make you pop a vessle.

 

[avbug]

Have a ball, td. Even in this thread people were tempted to take you seriously until they learned your character. Let's learn more. Recently, from flightinfo, you posted...

Funny, I have a medical license, an explosives license, a pilots license and I am engaged to a secret service agent."

So that's where God is going to send Israel, to hell. I think an H-bomb would suffice just fine for me. The sooner the better.


They are chosen alright, chosen to die in hell. As per the words of the Bible, King James Version since you asked."

"Don't under estamate "what I know". I know one thing, we will never win this war, period. We will never have peace in the middle east as long as we continue with our current foreign policy in Israel. The only reason they aren't in an oven, is because of us, without our help, they would be toast like God meant them to be.

See what happends when you interfere with the natural course of evolution?

It's just a matter of time until Israel pisses off enough (non-Jewish)US congressman that this will all come to an end, which BTW is prophatized in the Bible.

Imagine all the FREE oil we would get and all the new allies we'd have if we destroyed Israel.

I will be the first to go over there and start killing them.


There is nobody I would feel more passionate about then killing Israelites!

If I weren't Irish and German but Palastinian, I would be there right now"

How about some more character-showing statements to add to the collection...you recall all the posts you tried to hide, all the things you edited out hoping they'd go away? They're all here. Keep adding more.

Remember the promise I made to you?

 

[350DRIVER]

So that's where God is going to send Israel, to hell. I think an H-bomb would suffice just fine for me. The sooner the better.


They are chosen alright, chosen to die in hell. As per the words of the Bible, King James Version since you asked."

With all the crazed jews in this country it is somewhat comical what soft money has bought them (not much in the grand scheme of things), fortunately the Palestinians ain't backing down anytime soon or ever for that matter. Sharon, a known war criminal is a terrorist, nothing more and nothing less. . I don't fault the Palestinians one bit for what they are doing now and what they shall continue to do until the bloodshed of innocent Palestinian woman and children come to an end. Israel can continue to use deadly force and you bet the Palestinians will indeed retaliate...

 

[TDTURBO]

With all the crazed jews in this country it is somewhat comical what soft money has bought them (not much in the grand scheme of things), fortunately the Palestinians ain't backing down anytime soon or ever for that matter. Sharon, a known war criminal is a terrorist, nothing more and nothing less. . I don't fault the Palestinians one bit for what they are doing now and what they shall continue to do until the bloodshed of innocent Palestinian woman and children come to an end. Israel can continue to use deadly force and you bet the Palestinians will indeed retaliate...

God bless you 350, you get it, you got it. When is the fight? We have to get together soon. Call me, I got your package BTW.

 

[TDTURBO]

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[TDTURBO]

Have a ball, td. Even in this thread people were tempted to take you seriously until they learned your character. Let's learn more. Recently, from flightinfo, you posted...















How about some more character-showing statements to add to the collection...you recall all the posts you tried to hide, all the things you edited out hoping they'd go away? They're all here. Keep adding more.



Remember the promise I made to you?

At least I have character, you only have FAR's floating around your head, oblivious to your surroundings, like the cop thing. If you think for one minute that most if not all cops lie on the stand, you were never in law enforcement. I happen to know a little about federal law, as you stated my g/f is a secret service agent and I know enough to know the federal government needs an overhaul. Keep living in your cocoon of deception, you will never be happy, full filled or have a companion that loves you. Your whole life revolves around aviation rules with no other interests besides skydiving and fixing beaters. To each his own but don't knock others with different views than you have, everyone has something to contribute if you let them without intimidation. people on this board with less perceived hrs than you are afraid to post a question for fear of being chastised by your misconceptions of skill, experience and abilities. If you were so good you wouldn't be an expendable pilot flying dangerous missions with a 10% annual fatality rate. Doesn't that tell you something? it should, think about it, you fly the most dangerous type of flying, people die doing what you do with 10's of thousands of hrs because it is dangerous, regardless of your so- called experience. I doubt people would even know you died since you have few friends. I think you need to re-examine your life and start enjoying it instead of ripping those that do. Besides are disagreements, I really do hope the best for you, I take no pleasure in seeing a fellow aviator get hurt. so regardless of how you perceive me, be careful out there, I know I would probably miss you in spite of our differences.



On the other hand, Israel needs to be dealt with and those responsible for the mess they got us into.



What promise was that?

 

[350DRIVER]

God bless you 350, you get it, you got it. When is the fight? We have to get together soon. Call me, I got your package BTW.

Atleast a few don't buy into the crazed Jew propaganda that is sold off in this country on a daily basis. Glad you see the big picture my friend. . It is sickening to hear some of the comments from those in this nation.. Glad you got the package, sorry for the delay and hope you are able to put those to good use. Lemme know when your schedule is open and free. Still in negotiations but a definitive date should be put into place probably next week. Just waiting on the other camp to sign on the dotted line and it's on.

hope u are well

 

[flyifrvfr]

Let me assure you, I am a current CFII and I have probably more experience in icing conditions than you have total time. I am also a current CFIG, so I know a thing or two about operating without an engine. To put it bluntly, your attitude and bravado are troubling; but hey, what do I and the other highly experienced pilots that frequent this board know. Teach us oh learned one.

'Sled

PS - I doubt if you would be able to get through one of my instrument compentency checks. I'd be surprised if we even got past the oral.

Hey Led, I issued the same challenge to him earlier and even told him that he won't pass an IPC that I give. I don't think he is serious because now two offers are made to him.

 

[gern_blanston]

I offered too, but when the only 182RG you've ever flown/soared/iced is the MicroSoft Flight Sim one, you don't NEED an IPC
Nice anti-Semitism, too. Very classy.

 

[avbug]

If you were so good you wouldn't be an expendable pilot flying dangerous missions with a 10% annual fatality rate. Doesn't that tell you something? it should, think about it, you fly the most dangerous type of flying, people die doing what you do with 10's of thousands of hrs because it is dangerous, regardless of your so- called experience. I doubt people would even know you died since you have few friends. I think you need to re-examine your life and start enjoying it instead of ripping those that do.

Always good to hear from an expert in the field. An expert with lots of experience in his own single engine piston airplane doing private flying. I know you're an expert, because you keep telling us all so...after all, that IS the point of this thread.

You ought to know.

People die doing many things, td. Fighting fire to gardening, arresting felons to choking on pumpkin seeds. Whatever the outcome, (as an aside, you may have noticed that I'm far from dead yet), I'm deeply grateful and fortunate to be able to be doing what I do, "expendable," or not.

Your character is clear, and that's what's important in this thread.

 

[TDTURBO]

I offered too, but when the only 182RG you've ever flown/soared/iced is the MicroSoft Flight Sim one, you don't NEED an IPC
Nice anti-Semitism, too. Very classy.

It's called "anti-Israelism" most Jews in this country have it and are disgusted by the way Sharoan(sp)? is running the country, the leaders over there are ruining their country.

I will not take up offers for an IPC from some punk that has less than 10,000 hrs and most of it must be flying 135 Cargo in a plane without known ice. Or from some ERU grad that never saw a cloud, sorry fellas.

Like I said earlier, I already found the guy with the logbook and grey hairs to get me up to speed, thanks anyway.

 

[avbug]

I will not take up offers for an IPC from some punk that has less than 10,000 hrs and all of it in Cargo in a plane without known ice.

Hold the phone. You have less then ten thousand hours...a lot less. And you fly around single engine piston engine airplanes in icing conditions for which SIGMETs are provided...without known ice.

In other words, you just don't want to fly with someone like yourself. Got it. None of us would.

 

[TDTURBO]

Always good to hear from an expert in the field. An expert with lots of experience in his own single engine piston airplane doing private flying. I know you're an expert, because you keep telling us all so...after all, that IS the point of this thread.

You ought to know.

People die doing many things, td. Fighting fire to gardening, arresting felons to choking on pumpkin seeds. Whatever the outcome, (as an aside, you may have noticed that I'm far from dead yet), I'm deeply grateful and fortunate to be able to be doing what I do, "expendable," or not.

Your character is clear, and that's what's important in this thread.

Why you and Phil have always made it pretty clear who the "experts" are. I agree, it's always good to hear from one in the feild, you just ain't one of 'em.

Since the "point" of this thread has escaped you, it is about getting a Brutal IPC, hence the title. When you learn to read and comprehend all at the same time you can then comment. In the mean time you offer nothing as usual. Goodbye!

 

[TDTURBO]

Hold the phone. You have less then ten thousand hours...a lot less. And you fly around single engine piston engine airplanes in icing conditions for which SIGMETs are provided...without known ice.

In other words, you just don't want to fly with someone like yourself. Got it. None of us would.

I am where I am by learning from others with more experience than I, not from some babbling idiot that claims to be someone he isn't, now do you get it?

 

[JediNein]

I hear there is a great BBQ joint out there, Carsons?

Lots of equipment in a plane is lots of fun for some of us CFIIs. There are certain failure combinations that can really keep a pilot working. There are some normal operation combinations that can also keep a pilot working.

What do ya do if everything is working? Does the 396 have the flightplan crossfilled from the Trimble, or do you have to enter everything twice?

Are all of the needles pointing to something, or do you have to scramble if one radio quits?

Do you manage your workload in advance, or are you constantly behind the eight-ball when told to change frequencies?

Can you recognize the subtle failures, like a glideslope out of calibration, or an altimeter that is 50' off? Is an altimeter 50’ off a failure?

Is all of the paperwork in order? (My number one problem found in the preflight.) Are the required handbooks that 'must be accessible to the pilot' accessible? Or are they in the baggage compartment? Does the baggage compartment door have the placard? Is the compass card dated, legible, and current?

Is the pilot aware of the NTSB's decision regarding "known ice", which is more restrictive than the FAA's? How about the recommended penalty for conducting flight in known ice (hang 'em high)?

Is the equipment on board working properly or does the pilot make a bunch of excuses for how they cheat the equipment into doing the job, especially the autopilot?

I usually do a ‘9 Lives’ exercise in the sim before flying with a pilot for an IPC, sending them off to an IFR checkride, telling ‘em good luck on their airline interview sim ride, or moving on to the airplane. The ‘9 Lives’ lets me know what needs work. It’s a simple cross country that requires clearance-copying, CFIT avoidance, lost comm procedures, partial panel recognition, unusual attitude recoveries, navigation along airways, navigation equipment failure recognition, three types of approaches including a single-nav non-precision approach, checklist adherence, missed approach procedures, holding patterns both for the missed and in lieu of a procedure turn, alternate airport selection, fuel management, and a whole host of other skills. It’s unrealistic as all of the failures ‘probably’ won’t ever happen to anyone, but even a single one has caused pilots to kill themselves. So, to keep it fun, it’s a game. If you make it through with one life remaining, you win. You lose a life if your pitch exceeds 20 degrees in either direction, if bank angle exceeds 60 degrees, if you spin, hit a mountain, lose control, exceed altitude by more than 2000’ up or 200’ low, run out of fuel, land gear up, go missed at MDA in a non-turbine twin, and a few other things.

After the sim session, we know what needs work. Most of that can be accomplished in the sim if needed. Or, we step into the plane and get to work there. The IFR PTS dictates what a CFII must see in order to sign off an IPC. The pilot’s performance must be up to PTS standards. The PTS gives CFIIs no choice. I must see a circle-to-land approach, and if the airplane is so equipped, a GPS approach and an autopilot-coupled approach. If they show up with an IFR Garmin 480, we’re going to Carlsbad to do a precision GPS approach.

My IPC syllabus is dictated by the pilot and the airplanes they usually fly.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[TDTURBO]

Thanks Jedi,

If you were close I wouldn't hesitate taking your program, it sounds thorough and difficult. That's what I need, having all this good wx in the midwest rotted my skills and I need them back, I found a guy that flys in everything, all the time. He is a legend in the midwest and has taught me a lot or as much about instrument flying as Kirby did with aerobatics.

Thanks for the ideas and possible gotchas!

 

[flyifrvfr]

It's called "anti-Israelism" most Jews in this country have it and are disgusted by the way Sharoan(sp)? is running the country, the leaders over there are ruining their country.

I will not take up offers for an IPC from some punk that has less than 10,000 hrs and most of it must be flying 135 Cargo in a plane without known ice. Or from some ERU grad that never saw a cloud, sorry fellas.

Like I said earlier, I already found the guy with the logbook and grey hairs to get me up tO speed, thanls anyway.

Time in a logbook is no judge of how a man handles an airplane, nor is age. I know a young man who is 16 years old who can fly a Navajo better than most people I know. He has had excellent instruction and the opportunity to fly many different types of aircraft. So while you are off looking for the old grey haired guy who looks like he would be a good teacher, there is a others around you who could give better instruction. What I am saying is don't judge a book by its cover. Actual experience may vary, results not typical, one per customer. Residency restrictions apply, not valid in Maine or Florida, use only as directed, not responsible for lost or misdirected mail, odds of winning depend on the number of entries received,two score and seven years...god dang biatch set me up, I didn't have sex with that woman...

 

[Lead Sled]

I am where I am by learning from others with more experience than I, not from some babbling idiot that claims to be someone he isn't, now do you get it?

TD...
Avbug and I are the same "vintage" and from the same area. Our orbits have crossed a few times in the past. Becareful who you call a "babbling idiot" As far as I can see, his only "offense" is being frank.

Avbug...
I'm trying to put a face to your posts. Spraying right out of high school? Do the words: Rawdon, Tony, toilet paper, or Woodhouse Brothers have any meaning?

'Sled

 

[minitour]

...go missed at MDA in a non-turbine twin...

...did I miss something here? Aren't you supposed to maintain MDA until the MAP and then go missed even if it's a non-turbine twin?

-mini

 

[bigD]

...did I miss something here? Aren't you supposed to maintain MDA until the MAP and then go missed even if it's a non-turbine twin?

-mini

Hmmmm...I think she meant go missed on one engine in a non-turbine twin.

 

[minitour]

Hmmmm...I think she meant go missed on one engine in a non-turbine twin.

Ah hah...that makes more sense.

-mini

 

[JediNein]

Hmmmm...I think she meant go missed on one engine in a non-turbine twin.

DING!DING! We have a winner!

Sorry 'bout the confusion, I should know better than to post before 10 PM.

Fly SAFE!
Jedi Nein

 

[freeflyer14]

Avbug, Phil, others, please just let this idiot be. And TD, when you and your 1000 hours finally realize what a douchebag you are, come back and see us. And if I have to hear about your F'ing 182 again, I'm gonna puke. Oh wait, it's a "R"182, you're more of a badass than I thought. Tool...

 

[350DRIVER]

Avbug, Phil, others, please just let this idiot be. And TD, when you and your 1000 hours finally realize what a douchebag you are, come back and see us. And if I have to hear about your F'ing 182 again, I'm gonna puke. Oh wait, it's a "R"182, you're more of a badass than I thought. Tool...

Yeah, a tool making over $300,000+ a year as a doctor, many rental homes, who has his own 182RG that is paid for. Hey man, just for kicks how does it feel to make "peanuts" to fly that shiny new ERJ around and live paycheck to paycheck?. Sorry, just curious... Yeah, TD is leading one miserable life- LOL (I about p!ssed my pants when I read your response, thanks for the laugh)

I think Mr. TD has the last laugh on this one.

$25,000 a year, you daaaaaaaaaaaaaa man

TD- you had to get a kick outta that one?. Mommy and Daddy probably still paying for his little one bedroom apt.!

 

[Goose Egg]

Yeah, a tool making over $300,000+ a year as a doctor...

Is he a good doctor or a tool? I've met both. A tool is still a tool regardless of income.

Hey man, just for kicks how does it feel to make "peanuts" to fly that shiny new ERJ around and live paycheck to paycheck?.

Making more than that to instruct in smaller airplanes, I wouldn't know. Although it would be nice to be a little more comfortable. But I'm happy, and there's as many definitions of QOL as there are pilots.

I see your point, 350, I really do. TD has a good career and is probably really good at being a dr., and I'm sure that he has buckets full of life experience which we youngsters have not yet had the chance to accumulate. However, I don't think it's fair to say that income level equates with happiness or non-toolishness, or that income level in some other profession equates with skill and proficiency in flying. The "gotchas" in flying do not discriminate.

-Goose

 

[350DRIVER]

Is he a good doctor or a tool? I've met both. A tool is still a tool regardless of income.



Making more than that to instruct in smaller airplanes, I wouldn't know. Although it would be nice to be a little more comfortable. But I'm happy, and there's as many definitions of QOL as there are pilots.

I see your point, 350, I really do. TD has a good career and is probably really good at being a dr., and I'm sure that he has buckets full of life experience which we youngsters have not yet had the chance to accumulate. However, I don't think it's fair to say that income level equates with happiness or non-toolishness, or that income level in some other profession equates with skill and proficiency in flying. The "gotchas" in flying do not discriminate.

-Goose

Having known him personally for quite some time now I don't buy into the "tool" label, but again view or see him as you wish since very few things if anything seem to effect him personally for the obvious reasons. He is a good, accomplished, successful, and experienced doctor with probably more years in his respective profession than most (not all) have in aviation who have jumped down his throat on this thread and others. I wouldn't think twice about having a family member or friend aboard a flight that he was at the controls of, with as much as he has viewing him as "unsafe" and one to increase risks, take many chances, etc, just does not stick with me when in reality he has everything one could possibly want in life to throw it all away and depart this planet via a smoking hole in the ground.

I don't think it's fair to say that income level equates with happiness or non-toolishness, or that income level in some other profession equates with skill and proficiency in flying. The "gotchas" in flying do not discriminate.

I agree to a certain extent, but I also don't take much to heart from a "kid" who is still in love with the lure of flying a new shiny ERJ around who seems to lack the class, professionalism, and overall life experience to be throwing a label around on someone he hasn't a clue about.

TD is still around and I sure don't think he is going away anytime soon given his previous time(s), he does know his equipment inside and out.

Keep in mind, he is not a pilot by trade. I would trade positions with him in a heartbeat if I could.

Nothing more and nothing less.. Be careful when labeling all "non career" pilots as "unsafe". One of the sharpest pilots I have ever flown with was a CJ captain who owned multiple companies who flew for "fun" on the side who was as sharp as I have seen.

3 5 0

 

[Lead Sled]

FWIW, I've run into "TDTurbo" types before - successful professionals such as doctors, attornies, business men, etc. These guys tend to be motivated, driven types who attack everything they do with a vengence. They work hard and they play hard. They also tend not to listen to other mere mortals.

Put these kind of guys in the cockpit and they often do very well - at the control manipulation part of flying. The problem is you can't tell them anything, they already know it all. As a result you read posts where they talk about how good they are, about flying non-deiced airplanes in freezing rain, experimenting with how much ice an airplane will carry before you get tail stall, etc, etc, etc.

Yep, I've met those types before and several of them (and their passengers) are now dead. They died when their stupid, ill-advised actions finally caught up with them. Aviation is a funny thing, you can do some of the stupidest things and often times nothing is hurt but your pride. You can overload an airplane, fly it out of CG, and do any number of foolish, ill-advised (not to mention illegal) stuff and get a way with it - sometimes for years. Like I said before, if you do so the danger never goes away, it merely lies in wait.

Money and success can get you a lot of things; but it can't get you good old fashioned common sense. Remember back in your initial flight training how they talked about how accidents seem to cluster at certain distinct points – 100 hours, 500 hours, 1000 hours, 3000 hours, 10000 hours, etc. With a little experience there is a real tendency to get too comfortable and let your guard down.

Unfortunately, over the years, I have known many good pilots (and a few of them were MDs) who have died in aircraft accidents. When it happens, it is a VERY sobering experience. All too often, as you look back on the events surrounding the accident it becomes very apparent that, in many cases, it was very avoidable.

There is another interesting phenomenon that pilots fall into. Most guys, when they get 100 hours, think they know a lot about flying. When they have their instrument rating and 500 hours they're practically ready to be an ATP. Once they hit 1000 hours, well that's it, bring on the jet transports, they know it all - or so they think. Funny thing though, talk to pilots with 10,000 to 15,000+ hours in their logs and they'll tell you that they can't believe how much they don't know. Our friend is right at one of those logbook landmarks and we read his posts about how good he is and how he's been "experimenting" in icing conditions.

He fits the mold of several of the dead doctors and dentists I've known. If you need to fly in weather conditions where icing is frequently a consideration then get an airplane that has that capability, then use it wisely. Being at the top of your game won't do a bit of good if the airplane decides it's finished flying for the day.

'Sled