Brutal IPC

[TonyC]

Why don't you concentrate on flying in actual instrument conditions while it's raining, foggy, etc?

He prefers to fly in actual icing conditions for which his airplane is not certified, and I don't think he could talk a CFII into going with him.






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[TDTURBO]

He prefers to fly in actual icing conditions for which his airplane is not certified, and I don't think he could talk a CFII into going with him.






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Actually it was the 10,000 hr CFI's idea that we go into the thin layer of ice with warm air below to see how it effects the planes flying ability, it was one of the best lessons I ever got. I guess you missed that part of the discussion Tony, you usually don't miss much.

I have over 150 actual but that doesn't do me much good since the wx in Chicago has been unusually good all year. I just want to be at the top of my game come September when it gets bad for 7 more months.

You got a problem with that?

 

[Lead Sled]

Good grief guys. Personally, I think it's commendable to want to be at the top of your game and you're probably going about it the right way. On the other hand...

It's been my observation that those who claim too loudly or too often to be at the top of their game probably aren't.

'Sled

 

[Almerick07]

Sounds to me like youre doing ok flying wise, just watch that look what I have/can do attitude when youre in a mess of clouds up there....wait wait FAA..Uhhh...Commercial..Uhh....oh yea Macho attitude, I'd hate to see it kill ya.

 

[phil]

Actually it was the 10,000 hr CFI's idea that we go into the thin layer of ice with warm air below to see how it effects the planes flying ability, it was one of the best lessons I ever got. I guess you missed that part of the discussion Tony, you usually don't miss much.

TD, I recall that thread and that's not what you said, I looked it up, here's what you said.

I know from flying my plane in ice a hundred times exactly how much it takes before I need to take action quickly… No biggy if you have warm air underneath you and plenty of altitude. A good way to see what your plane can handle is find a thin icing layer up high and dive in it and watch what happens. The scarey part is listening to the chucks shedding of in the decent slamming into the horizontal stab!.…. I Fly in and through ice routinely in the winter with a 182rg. I am usually very light and can shoot up through it or I make sure I have warm air aloft or below, but I usually get dusted either way. If I stayed on the ground every time I read a sigmet, I would never get anywhere… Today was a fun day in Chicago, I specifically requested a hold in IMC after getting a Sigmet for ice. I wanted to do this to see how long my mighty 182rg could fly before feeling a stall buffet from the tail. I can't wait for the FZ rain tomorrow.

If I only new where minitour lived I could hold over his house.

It sounds like you do this a lot by yourself, you never mention flying with a CFI in ice until now, unless you've erased it from your former posts (there was a lot of erasin going on).

I can never tell what you're saying is real or not. I hope you've decided to be careful around ice.

 

[Lead Sled]

TD...
I'm tempted to take back some of those warm fuzzy thoughts I was having.

I know from flying my plane in ice a hundred times exactly how much it takes before I need to take action quickly… No biggy if you have warm air underneath you and plenty of altitude. A good way to see what your plane can handle is find a thin icing layer up high and dive in it and watch what happens. The scarey part is listening to the chucks shedding of in the decent slamming into the horizontal stab!...I Fly in and through ice routinely in the winter with a 182rg. I am usually very light and can shoot up through it or I make sure I have warm air aloft or below, but I usually get dusted either way. If I stayed on the ground every time I read a sigmet, I would never get anywhere…Today was a fun day in Chicago, I specifically requested a hold in IMC after getting a Sigmet for ice. I wanted to do this to see how long my mighty 182rg could fly before feeling a stall buffet from the tail. I can't wait for the FZ rain tomorrow...

I'm afraid you may have a mistaken understanding of the meaning of experience. Having experience doesn't mean that you manipulate the controls “better”, it means that you just fly “smarter”. You mentioned that "I Fly in and through ice routinely in the winter with a 182rg." and "If I stayed on the ground every time I read a sigmet, I would never get anywhere…" I'm going to cut you some slack on this and assume that you were taking a bit of "journalisitic liberty" with what you've actually done.

Flying in ice in an airplane not properly equipted and certified is foolish and dangerous and not to mention illegal. The fact that you've never gotten into trouble in your vast 100 hours or so of "actual" instrument experience means absolutely nothing. You can ignore the dangers, and place your trust in the laws of probability. But remember, if you choose this path, the danger doesn’t go away, it merely lies in wait. Like the pilot said when St. Peter met him at the Pearly Gates, “It never killed me before!”


By the way, here’s another old aviation saying that you might ought to reread. I think pertains to the situation…

“A superior pilot is one who uses his superior judgment to avoid situations requiring the use of his superior skills.”

OK, sorry about that guys. It's time to get off the soapbox.

'Sled

 

[JAFI]

Again, it seems with this rehashed topic that the poster knows more than the collective group who have operated safely in the ice for many many hours.

IMHO you are beating a dead horse. And like the dead horse, someone in a 182 who plays with ice ..........

It will be a NTSB report and a hike in insurance for all others to pay for such stupidity.

Maybe he will win the Darwin Award...?????

A link to read about the other people who "knew better".....

http://www.darwinawards.com/


JAFI

 

[Almerick07]

Today was a fun day in Chicago, I specifically requested a hold in IMC after getting a Sigmet for ice. I wanted to do this to see how long my mighty 182rg could fly before feeling a stall buffet from the tail. I can't wait for the FZ rain tomorrow...

I know my last post was a mere joke about the macho attitude, but man that type of stupidity WILL kill you...just a matter of time (if what you're saying is indeed true)

 

[avbug]

More recently he bragged about flying his airplane over chicago for an hour with the engine off and the prop stopped...he was advocating the practice for low experience pilots, and ardently defended the idea. But he can do that, you see...who could tell him differently? He knows more about that airplane, and flying it, than any other soul alive.

If only someone out there could challenge him, but alas and alack, he's the best there is, and it's sad when one has no competition at the top. Now all he can do is help elevate the rest to his level...

 

[flyifrvfr]

If you are serious about finding someone who is better at flying your plane than you, pay for a plane ticket for me and I will be happy to give you a IPC you wouldn't pass. But you have to realize that I don't give sign-offs, they are earned. If you want a challenge I will be glad to help you.

I hope that you are not all type and no action.

 

[TDTURBO]

I see Phil is back, we all know who that is don't we? Avbug is talking to himself again, look at when Phil posts, it's always after or before avbug. Still no answers from the peanut gallery, just rehashing old posts about flying in the winter. This board is sad when nobody with a CFI has any actual or experience with ice. Everyone in my area has gotten iced that has over 500 hrs and you better know how to deal with it and have an out or plan. Not having experience in a controlled environment with ice or dead engines is incomprehensible to me. There should be a law or reg that requires IMC time to get an instrument rating. There also should be a law that commercial pilots for hire know what there plane will do with ice on it. Look at the frost that killed the "professional" pilots in Colorado last year. If they only knew that plane wouldn't take off with frost they would still be alive. Every plane reacts differently with ice, knowing what it will do can and will save my life. Not practicing engine out procedures and other emergencies breeds complacency which I feel over the summer has set in. I want to know exactly what my plane will and won't do, if you have a problem with that then buy your own. I have already found "the man" and will train hard with him until fall to get my skills back, in the mean time, you can run your mouth all you want, it won't change a thing.

 

[TDTURBO]

More recently he bragged about flying his airplane over chicago for an hour with the engine off and the prop stopped...he was advocating the practice for low experience pilots, and ardently defended the idea. But he can do that, you see...who could tell him differently? He knows more about that airplane, and flying it, than any other soul alive.

If only someone out there could challenge him, but alas and alack, he's the best there is, and it's sad when one has no competition at the top. Now all he can do is help elevate the rest to his level...

Total Lie. Get a life.

It was a half hour and over Cedar Lake, IN on a message board that has categories for aerobatics, instrument, commercial and every other skill level known. I was relaying a great experience, something avbug is incapable of feeling or appreciating. He is a bitter, broken man with only the internet to comfort and sooth his ego, a sad man indeed.

 

[phil]

Phil is back, so sorry to disappoint you, I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, and compared to Avbug's time and experience, I have pittifully little.
In fact he's probably forgotton more than I'll ever know about aviation, and that's a fact, he's got 20 years head start on me.

Aside from deflecting the issue away from yourself-good try-and the inconsistancy of your stories, I am glad to see you are indulging in the wisdom of a CFI to further your persuits to be a better pilot, whether or not you'll get smater about ice is up to you, I hope so. Led Sled gave some good advice.

 

[TDTURBO]

Phil is back, so sorry to disappoint you, I didn't sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night, and compared to Avbug's time and experience, I have pittifully little.
In fact he's probably forgotton more than I'll ever know about aviation, and that's a fact, he's got 20 years head start on me.

Aside from deflecting the issue away from yourself-good try-and the inconsistancy of your stories, I am glad to see you are indulging in the wisdom of a CFI to further your persuits to be a better pilot, whether or not you'll get smater about ice is up to you, I hope so. Led Sled gave some good advice.

Could you make yourself more obvious by lathering yourself with another screen name, if it's not you, prove it. Have a moderator say it isn't so and I'll believe him, but you can't because you are avbug, what a tool.

 

[phil]

Go ahead young man, are you 13 or what? Ask the moderator, you'll find it is impossible that we're the same person. The only thing that is similar is that we visit ipilot.com where you were recently banned, and both like to gang up on your lame ass assertions that you advocate for low time pilots.

I think Avbug should put the URL of that post he refered to so we all can see how lame your advice to young pilots really is. Care to give us the URL instead without erasing all your posts first?

I thought so...

 

[TDTURBO]

Go ahead young man, are you 13 or what? Ask the moderator, you'll find it is impossible that we're the same person. The only thing that is similar is that we visit ipilot.com where you were recently banned, and both like to gang up on your lame ass assertions that you advocate for low time pilots.

I think Avbug should put the URL of that post he refered to so we all can see how lame your advice to young pilots really is. Care to give us the URL instead without erasing all your posts first?

I thought so...

Well you thought wrong junior.


Man, what planet are you from, I am not banned, not only that, Cary was banned, not me. He also lost his moderator position and soon his law license due to his stupidity. The ARDC will be talking to him soon. As for you, I would do a search and see I just posted there a couple days ago and will do so now if you like. Sorry avbug, your lies cease to engage me anymore, as usual, I will waste no more time with you. Everyone quit listening to you somewhere between police officers that you worked with never lie on the stand and skydiving isn't dangerous. Anybody that works in law enforcement knows cops lie on the stand and everybody knows that skydiving is dangerous. Go to bed, you bore me.

I left something just for you on ipilot.


http://ipilot.com/forum/message.aspx?pid=116196#116196

 

[avbug]

TD,

Calm down brightspark. You're the genius. Figure out how I can be in two places at once...you're doing better than me. As it turns out, I'm just down the road from you...right here in your neighborhood. Plot out the IP addresses...figure out where I am.

I gaurantee you Phil is nowhere in the area...but you sure are. Think about that.

 

[TDTURBO]

TD,

Calm down brightspark. You're the genius. Figure out how I can be in two places at once...you're doing better than me. As it turns out, I'm just down the road from you...right here in your neighborhood. Plot out the IP addresses...figure out where I am.

I gaurantee you Phil is nowhere in the area...but you sure are. Think about that.

I'll let the moderators do that since I don't have you IP, aren't you supposed to be out fighting fires? I know of none here, now go to bed.

 

[avbug]

I have never personally known a law enforcement officer, from within the department in which I was employed, or without, who perjured himself or herself on the whitness stand, falsified a report, fabricated evidence, or otherwise tarnished the badge or the oath to which every one of us was sworn. I certainly never did, and if others did, I have no knowledge of it. I am quite confident and comfortable swearing to that fact before any jury or judge.

That officers may lie or perjur themselves is not for me to say. I have never known an officer who did, and that is the truth. Period.

Skydiving isn't dangerous. You are dangerous. Doubtless if you were to skydive, you'd be dangerous. Primarily to those directly underneath you...much like you are when you fly.

I am not banned, not only that, Cary was banned, not me. He also lost his moderator position and soon his law license due to his stupidity. The ARDC will be talking to him soon

Cary did nothing wrong, you little putz. He certainly won't be losing his standing with the bar. He revealed your name on the internet and you threw a tizzy fit...folks know who you are and where you are, and you don't like that. Cary stepped aside, and wasn't "banned." He's considered by every member of the board to which you refer to be a well respected poster, as well as an intelligent contributor (and a valued one) of that particular forum.

Conversely, you are not. And it grates on you. Much like here.

The fact that you attempted to go after him in the manner you did, outside the board, screaming and threatening and attempting to damage his reputation and career, serves to show what a small, pathetic individual you are, as if your own words didn't do enough in that regard to convict you on any given day.

Give a man enough rope, and he hangs himself. For you, it only takes a few strands. Keep trying. I have faith in you.

Have you guessed where I am, yet? Surely you can do that, can't you? I'm closer than you think.

 

[Lead Sled]

This board is sad when nobody with a CFI has any actual or experience with ice. Not having experience in a controlled environment with ice or dead engines is incomprehensible to me.

Let me assure you, I am a current CFII and I have probably more experience in icing conditions than you have total time. I am also a current CFIG, so I know a thing or two about operating without an engine. To put it bluntly, your attitude and bravado are troubling; but hey, what do I and the other highly experienced pilots that frequent this board know. Teach us oh learned one.

'Sled

PS - I doubt if you would be able to get through one of my instrument compentency checks. I'd be surprised if we even got past the oral.