BREAKING NEWS about UAL

[Ocity]

what am I missing with the announced job cuts? They say they're going to cut 1400-1600 management, salary, and contracted workers. No flight crews?

100 aircraft is probably close to 1200 pilots and 2000 FAs. It would be great if they all kept their jobs but I doubt it very much. I think their sugar coating their press release.

 

[RJAA]

After the cuts, in terms of fleet size, United will be smaller than or close equal to Continental. CO's cuts are still pending though.

 

[MCDU]

They are getting cut like USAIR was prior to getting merged. Do not be surprised if United merges after all these cuts.
I just hope that ALPA figures out that the closest thing to a national seniority list is DOH.
DOH is fair . The only Union in the world that does not support this is ALPA. Hopefully they will see the light.

Marty

 

[Sparse]

The company named Joe Kolshak senior vice president of operations, overseeing United Services, Flight Operations and Operations Control. Kolshak previously served as Delta's executive vice president of operations, responsible for Delta's maintenance, flight operations, ground operations, operations control, safety and security as well as the Delta Express operations. He will be based in San Francisco, and will report to Tague.
"Joe brings a depth and breadth of experience to United that will enable us to accelerate our work to improve customer service and operational performance moving us toward a goal to be the industry leader in the U.S.," Tague said. "We are committed to building a leadership team with the capability and accountability to drive performance improvements across our company and realize the full potential of United Airlines."

Sorry to hear this. He was bad news at DL. He was a Marine, but he missed the lesson on standing up for your troups.

 

[GogglesPisano]

. The only Union in the world that does not support this is ALPA.

The APA supprots DOH? :bomb:

 

[MCDU]

good point. I guess only for their pilots.

 

[Dan Roman]

The APA supprots DOH? :bomb:

and SWAPA?

 

[Ocity]

and SWAPA?

Nobody would support DOH as USCABA views it. Sorry but a 20 year reserve FO isn't worth anything more than what it is. Those guys are on crack and are sinking fast.

 

[MCDU]

Some of those 20 year reserve FO's were 737 captains in the late 90's. Times change. USAIR right now has plenty of rsv f/o's on the 330 that have 25 years. So you feel they are not worth anything. Typical PFT crowd. You need to understand that DOH is lthe closest thing to a NSL.

 

[Max Powers]

Some of those 20 year reserve FO's were 737 captains in the late 90's. Times change. USAIR right now has plenty of rsv f/o's on the 330 that have 25 years. So you feel they are not worth anything. Typical PFT crowd. You need to understand that DOH is lthe closest thing to a NSL.

Well for the record I never PFT. But seriously those guys who are 25 resv fos on the 330, I feel very bad for. However, it was their choice to stay put and not beat the pavement looking for a new job. And now they want to undo a wrong done unto them by perpetrating a wrong on other people.

In other words yes what happened to you was terrible but trying to screw someone else to fix your wrong is NOT RIGHT.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I agree that DOH is the only way to go for a National list, only if you can move from company to company. Not if you are stuck where you are.
Portability is the key. With DOH the most senior guys would go to the best jobs, and that works.
When you are dealing with two companies there is not enough lift to spread out the pain of the junior list, ala ratio. It is the only reasonable way to do it.

 

[Tejas-Jet]

You mean like they lined up to offer ATA guys jobs?

Whaddya mean? There are former ATA guys at SWA.

 

[GuppyWN]

I agree that DOH is the only way to go for a National list, only if you can move from company to company. Not if you are stuck where you are.

I agree. Why reward dedication or sacrifice to build an airline? Why not just let seniority from any ole mom and pop sh!thole count toward screwing others who care about the future? Or their coworkers?

One list. It's the democratic welfare way. Just get on the dole - we'll take care of you.

Gup

 

[Noserider76]

I agree that DOH is the only way to go for a National list, only if you can move from company to company. Not if you are stuck where you are.
Portability is the key. With DOH the most senior guys would go to the best jobs, and that works.
When you are dealing with two companies there is not enough lift to spread out the pain of the junior list, ala ratio. It is the only reasonable way to do it.

A national list could never work in this industry. There are way too many variables. Like it or not, we choose the company we want to work for, we choose to sacrifice to keep it in good shape or bleed it dry at every opportunity, and we, in the end, work for the company not the union. You bring many more problems to the table if someone is able to take his seniority to another carrier. Contract time? Screw the junior guys, if this company goes down I can take my job over to Brand X. The way it is now is far from perfect but most of the alternatives are worse.

 

[Dan Roman]

So, you guys are saying if UAL craters, their pilots should just pick what airline they want to go to and displace any pilot with a later DOH?

 

[vixin]

Well said GUP.

 

[Superpilot92]

Does UAL have any scope protections to keep all the 737s from being parked and replaced by RJ's?

 

[Ocity]

Some of those 20 year reserve FO's were 737 captains in the late 90's. Times change. USAIR right now has plenty of rsv f/o's on the 330 that have 25 years. So you feel they are not worth anything. Typical PFT crowd. You need to understand that DOH is lthe closest thing to a NSL.

They were dumb enough to stay at your diseased animal of an airline. Too bad. I used to feel sorry for them but now I just think they are reaping what they've sown. I don't give a damn that a guy "used" to be a captain. That is meaningless. I used to be a captain too. At another airline. Big deal.

 

[eaglesview]

United's P&W powered 777s don't have nearly the range of other carriers GE powered aircraft. They can't fly ORD-PEK without a serious weight restriction.

Wish I would have had this information when I was flying ORD PEK in the 777, would have been handy.

 

[Flopgut]

I agree. Why reward dedication or sacrifice to build an airline? Why not just let seniority from any ole mom and pop sh!thole count toward screwing others who care about the future? Or their coworkers?

One list. It's the democratic welfare way. Just get on the dole - we'll take care of you.

Gup

I'm not sure I agree or disagree with what you're saying. (sarcasm understood)

Seniority is something you live and die by. If one can't envision a NSL then one ought to be able to fathom a non seniority based system. Let promotion come to those most suited. The end result would be very much like a NSL after everthing shakes out.

If nothing else, we could put an end to the seniority based chess match. Seniority these days isn't about your longevity so much as it is something another has that you can take.

NSL or age 65 or whatever...The question to ask is: Who is campaigning for who's job?? I know as somebody who supported age 60, I was very much NOT campaigning for someone else's job!! I wanted the deal to remain unchanged for each and every airline pilot. I could support a NSL...right up to the point where some dude wants extra credit for working at a special airline.