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UAL to announce fleet, job cuts: report
Tuesday June 3, 11:14 pm ET
NEW YORK (Reuters) - UAL Corp (NasdaqGS:UAUA - News), parent of United Airlines, plans to reduce its mainline fleet by another 70 aircraft by the end of 2009 and announce further job cuts, the Wall Street Journal reported on its Web site on Tuesday.
The airline is expected to announce the planned cuts to its fleet of 460 aircraft on Wednesday, the paper reported, citing unnamed sources.
The company will also announce additional cuts of salaried and management workers, the paper said. Reductions of unionized positions was expected to come later, it said. UAL could not be reached immediately for comment.


Another link that has the story. Sorry UAL guys and gals!!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/busine...,4018539.story
 
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Not to say it wont happen, but the Tribune article sounds like it was written by someone who read the same thing we all read on planebiz.
 
Maybe the WSJ is more legit:


From the WSJ

United Airlines parent UAL Corp. on Wednesday is expected to announce it will cut its 460-aircraft mainline fleet by another 70 jetliners by the end of next year. The move will help the company cope with surging fuel expenses but also lead to a large but indeterminate number of furloughs of its unionized workforce and a major reduction in routes or daily flight frequencies operated, said people familiar with the matter.

A week after the nation's No. 2 airline by traffic rejected a plan to merge with US Airways Group Inc., UAL promised to take further steps as a standalone carrier to cope with industry conditions that now amount to a crisis. UAL already has said it would reduce its capacity -- seats on offer -- by a double-digit percentage by the fourth quarter of this year compared with the same period in 2007.

But with fuel so costly, many routes no longer are profitable even as fares continued to be pushed higher by the industry. And older aircraft, which are less fuel-efficient, are an increasing liability. AMR Corp.'s American Airlines, the largest U.S. carrier, recently announced a sizeable capacity reduction.

Some routes already have come out of United's published schedules. For instance, United later this year is dropping its flights from Chicago to Anchorage and from Los Angeles to Hong Kong. Many smaller, domestic routes are being cut back in terms of numbers of daily flight frequencies or by a reduction of United mainline flights and a substitution of flights by the airline's regional affiliates.

UAL plans to announce on Wednesday the removal of 64 more Boeing Co. 737s from its fleet by the end of next year, on top of 30 737s it already announced it would retire, said people familiar with the matter. The Chicago Tribune first reported the fleet reduction on its Web site Tuesday. UAL has 460 aircraft in its mainline fleet; its commuter affiliates operate another couple hundred smaller feeder aircraft.

The 64 Boeing 737-300s, which carry 123 passengers, have an average age of 19 years, according to the company's annual report. A majority are leased rather than owned. UAL already has said it plans to retire 30 737-500s, which seat 108 passengers. All those planes are owned instead of leased. The average age of those aircraft is 16 years.

In addition, Chicago-based UAL plans to pare six of its jumbo 747s from the fleet, said people familiar with the situation. United has 30 of that type, the majority owned rather than leased. The flagship 747s, four-engine, long-haul planes, serve some of the carrier's signature routes, primarily in Asia and Australia.

The fleet reductions will be explained to UAL's 55,000 employees on Wednesday. People familiar with the matter said the company will announce additional reductions of salaried and management workers, on top of the 500 or so jobs it recently said it would cut. News about reductions of unionized positions -- pilots, flight attendants, mechanics, reservationists, ramp workers and airport agents -- was expected to come later, said these people.

United is expected to rid itself of its "Ted" sub-branded service that serves domestic leisure destinations with 56 all-coach A320 aircraft. The company dreamed up Ted in the early days of its bankruptcy case, which ran from late 2002 to early 2006, as a way of reducing costs on its most competitive domestic routes by cramming more seats on the planes by doing away with first-class cabins.

Instead, the airline will put first-class cabins back on some of those planes, bowing to pressure from its premium passengers who didn't like flying coach to Sunbelt destinations, said a person with knowledge of the matter.

In spite of the fleet reductions, UAL continues to have owned aircraft that are unencumbered by loans and could be used as collateral for future fundraising. The company has said it could raise $3 billion with assets including planes, foreign routes, takeoff and landing slots and other collateral.

Other big U.S. airlines are expected to announce further capacity reductions in the coming days and weeks, as low-fare carriers continue to temper their growth plans and defer planned deliveries of new planes. Soaring fuel prices are expected to plunge all U.S. carriers by Southwest Airlines Co. deeply into the red this year and some analysts expect multiple bankruptcies later this year or in 2009 as the industry tries to cope with runaway oil prices.
 
Does anybody have anything positive about the industry?? Anything!! A little spark of hope will do some people good. Good luck All at UAL, and everywhere else for that matter.
 
say again said:
Does anybody have anything positive about the industry?? Anything!! A little spark of hope will do some people good.

Unless you're a RJ driver, I'm guessing you didn't have this in mind:

Many smaller, domestic routes are being cut back in terms of numbers of daily flight frequencies or by a reduction of United mainline flights and a substitution of flights by the airline's regional affiliates.
 
Does anybody have anything positive about the industry?? Anything!! A little spark of hope will do some people good...

Yes, according to IATA, average jet fuel prices down 11.3% the past two weeks...Wonder how many BILLIONS that's worth...
 
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Good luck UAL folks... we are probably not far behind.

Andy, thanks for your usual factual posts.

73
 
Press ReleaseSource: United Airlines United Streamlines Operations to Compete in Unprecedented Fuel Environment
Wednesday June 4, 8:00 am ET
Company Announces 17 Percent Mainline Domestic Capacity Cuts by 2009
Reducing Fleet by 100 Planes, Eliminating Oldest and Least Fuel-Efficient Aircraft
Announces Executive Changes
CHICAGO, June 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Airlines today announced significant fleet, capacity and personnel changes, enabling the company to build a stronger, more competitive business better able to withstand record oil prices and a softening economy.United will remove a total of 100 aircraft from its mainline fleet, including the 30 previously announced Boeing 737s, and reduce its mainline domestic capacity in the fourth quarter 2008 by 14 percent year over year. The company expects to retire all of its 94 B737s, provided it can work out terms with certain lessors, and six Boeing 747s. Over the 2008 and 2009 period, cumulative mainline domestic capacity will be reduced between 17 percent and 18 percent and cumulative consolidated capacity between 9 percent and 10 percent.
Capacity Fourth Quarter Full-year Full-year
(Available Seat Miles) 2008 2008 2009
(Versus FY 2007)

North America -14.5% to -13.5% -8.0% to -7.0% -18.0% to -17.0%
International -4.5% to -3.5% +1.5% to +2.5% -5.0% to -4.0%
Mainline -10.5% to -9.5% -4.0% to -3.0% -12.5% to -11.5%
Express +3.0% to +4.0% Flat to +1.0% +10.0% to +11.0%
Consolidated Domestic -11.5% to -10.5% -6.5% to -5.5% -13.5% to -12.5%
Consolidated -9.0% to -8.0% -3.5% to -2.5% -10.0% to -9.0%

"Today we are taking additional, aggressive steps that demonstrate our commitment to size our business appropriately to reflect the current market reality, leverage capacity discipline to pass commodity costs on to customers, develop new revenue streams and continue to reduce non-fuel costs and capital expenditures," said Glenn Tilton, United's chairman, president and CEO. "This environment demands that we and the industry act decisively and responsibly. At United, we continue to do the right work to reduce costs and increase revenue to respond to record fuel costs and the challenging economic environment."
With fuel at current prices, it creates more than a $3 billion challenge to overcome. United believes that these actions will offset that challenge by 2009, assuming the industry as a whole takes similar actions.
When complete, the fleet reduction is expected to retire United's oldest and least fuel-efficient jets, and will lower the company's average fleet age to 11.8 years. The majority of schedule changes related to the elimination of 30 B737s previously announced are currently reflected in reservation systems. Further changes related to the retirement of an additional 50 aircraft by year end will be reflected in these systems in the near future. Schedule changes will be principally accommodated through modest reductions of underperforming markets and through frequency reductions while retaining a commitment to all five U.S. hubs. About 80 planes are expected to be out of the system by the end of 2008, with the other 20 coming out by the end of 2009. The fleet reduction also includes six Boeing 747s. As part of these changes, United is eliminating its Ted product, reconfiguring that fleet's 56 A320s to include United First class seats. The reconfiguration of the Ted aircraft will begin in spring 2009 and be completed by year-end 2009.
"The decision to dramatically reduce our capacity profile, particularly in the domestic marketplace, while over time eliminating a fleet type, is a significant step leading to a more effective and efficient operating fleet for United in the years ahead, while improving our customer experience and reliability," said John Tague, executive vice president and chief operating officer.
As United reduces the size of its operation, it is further reducing staff. United expects to reduce the number of salaried and management employees and contractors by 1,400-1,600, including the previously announced 500 employee reduction by year-end, and the company will determine the number of front-line employee furloughs as it finalizes the schedule over the next month.
The company named Joe Kolshak senior vice president of operations, overseeing United Services, Flight Operations and Operations Control. Kolshak previously served as Delta's executive vice president of operations, responsible for Delta's maintenance, flight operations, ground operations, operations control, safety and security as well as the Delta Express operations. He will be based in San Francisco, and will report to Tague.
"Joe brings a depth and breadth of experience to United that will enable us to accelerate our work to improve customer service and operational performance moving us toward a goal to be the industry leader in the U.S.," Tague said. "We are committed to building a leadership team with the capability and accountability to drive performance improvements across our company and realize the full potential of United Airlines."
Alexandria Marren was also promoted to senior vice president - Onboard Service, and will also oversee flight attendant scheduling. She previously served as vice president - Onboard Service. Marren will report to Tague. William Yantiss, vice president - Corporate Safety, Security and Environment, also will report to Tague.
Cindy Szadokierski, who has been responsible for Operations Control, will now be vice president of United Express and Airport Operations Planning, reporting to Scott Dolan, senior vice president - Airport Operations, Cargo and United Express. As a result of the reorganization, the company also announced that Bill Norman, senior vice president - United Services, and Sean Donohue, senior vice president - Flight Operations and Onboard Service, will be leaving United.
"We thank Bill and Sean for their many contributions during their long and successful careers with United, and wish them well in their future endeavors," Tague said.
 
Great, as lose my job, my house, my family, express is going to grow again. Hope they like the snj's. Can't blame fuel, I don't see any other airline ready to furlough 1000+ pilots or park 100 planes...... That's right, they are managed by people who have a clue, and have been waiting for this moment. UAL has just exposed it's juggular (sp?) chp 7 by next year.
 
This is not unexpected. Can anyone quantify the potential pilot numbers effected? How many potential furloughs?

Unfortunately, I have experience with this myself as I was furloughed from the 737 fleet shortly after 9/11. This is a tough situation. Good luck to all those involved!
 
Good luck UAL folks... we are probably not far behind.

Andy, thanks for your usual factual posts.

73

AA73, thanks; best of luck to you and everyone at AMR. ... and best of luck to everyone in the airline industry.

This is a survival move. A lot of people are going to blame management for making these cuts.
I've seen pilots post that management needs to raise fares. They've done that multiple times this year. Higher fares, along with a weakening economy, is going to result in less passengers. Is anyone surprised that capacity reductions need to be made in the face of decreasing passengers?
There's an investment saying - 'He who panics first panics best.' - Meaning that those investors who bail out of a bad situation early will preserve the most capital. That's what we're seeing here. This is about survival, not thriving. Only one company, Southwest, currently has the capability to prosper in this environment (and that edge will rapidly disappear).

Over the next year, we're going to see oil prices fall significantly as demand for oil decreases. It isn't going to save the airline industry because we're going to be in a very nasty worldwide recession (I'm calling for a mild depression). So even as we sit and watch oil prices fall, we're going to see passengers disappear faster.

For quite a while, I've anticipated being furloughed shortly after Christmas. It looks like my timing is about right. I am currently ~600 from the bottom at United. It'll take a couple of rounds of furloughs to get to me. Fortunately, I haven't retired from my AF Reserve job. I will return to that and ride this out for a few years.
I don't see the economy recovering anytime soon; I wouldn't be surprised to see a ton of airline furloughs go through 2009 or longer. This is likely to have more pilots on the street than post-911. I don't even want to guess when I can expect being recalled. Perhaps once we start seeing age 65 retirements.

Bluefin, management is to blame for some of this, but not all of it. They are trying to keep the company solvent. We're going to see several airlines disappear over the next year; it's not going to be pretty. We're also seeing airlines who have expansion plans into this downturn (Delta, CAL) - this is going to put them in deep, deep financial trouble unless they turn off the growth and start downsizing rapidly.
 
The TED branding was a joke anyway. I was somewhere out west and all over the place were signs that said "TED is part of United." No one knew what the brand was, and isn't that the point of a brand?

Nobody really knew what Song was, either. They'd book a Delta ticket and happen to be on a Song airplane and wouldn't even know it. Same with United.
 
I am sorry to hear the sad news.

On the bright side, the first furloughed, are the ones that get the crack at the other jobs out there first. 737s? I would assume SWA is foaming at the mouth to pick up these well qualified individuals. In fact I am surprised that SWA is not setting up employment booths in the UAL terminals.

The longevity of jobs is not lifetime anymore, so why is our seniority number working against us now?

National Seniority List Now.
 
I am not sure if you will see a world wide recession as you predict. Fact is that this economy has not done much since 9/11. I hope for everyones sake you are off on this. I agree that there is a cooling of world wide markets, but I do not see the fall off that you are hinting at.
I agree that this is the righting that many have predicted since 1978. It sucks but it needed to happen. We could not do it ourselves to we needed external forces to help us along. Oil is a major contributing factor in all of this. The difference is that investors have lost their will to invest in this black hole industry. There is no money coming in to it. They have finally realized that given its current structure, there is no way to turn a profit. The money will only come back when we have fixed ourselves. To do that, a lot of us will be finding other ways to feed our families.
As soon as the voluntary leaves start I am out.
 

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