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Press ReleaseSource: United Airlines United Streamlines Operations to Compete in Unprecedented Fuel Environment
Wednesday June 4, 8:00 am ET
Company Announces 17 Percent Mainline Domestic Capacity Cuts by 2009
Reducing Fleet by 100 Planes, Eliminating Oldest and Least Fuel-Efficient Aircraft
Announces Executive Changes
CHICAGO, June 4 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- United Airlines today announced significant fleet, capacity and personnel changes, enabling the company to build a stronger, more competitive business better able to withstand record oil prices and a softening economy.United will remove a total of 100 aircraft from its mainline fleet, including the 30 previously announced Boeing 737s, and reduce its mainline domestic capacity in the fourth quarter 2008 by 14 percent year over year. The company expects to retire all of its 94 B737s, provided it can work out terms with certain lessors, and six Boeing 747s. Over the 2008 and 2009 period, cumulative mainline domestic capacity will be reduced between 17 percent and 18 percent and cumulative consolidated capacity between 9 percent and 10 percent.
Capacity Fourth Quarter Full-year Full-year
(Available Seat Miles) 2008 2008 2009
(Versus FY 2007)

North America -14.5% to -13.5% -8.0% to -7.0% -18.0% to -17.0%
International -4.5% to -3.5% +1.5% to +2.5% -5.0% to -4.0%
Mainline -10.5% to -9.5% -4.0% to -3.0% -12.5% to -11.5%
Express +3.0% to +4.0% Flat to +1.0% +10.0% to +11.0%
Consolidated Domestic -11.5% to -10.5% -6.5% to -5.5% -13.5% to -12.5%
Consolidated -9.0% to -8.0% -3.5% to -2.5% -10.0% to -9.0%

"Today we are taking additional, aggressive steps that demonstrate our commitment to size our business appropriately to reflect the current market reality, leverage capacity discipline to pass commodity costs on to customers, develop new revenue streams and continue to reduce non-fuel costs and capital expenditures," said Glenn Tilton, United's chairman, president and CEO. "This environment demands that we and the industry act decisively and responsibly. At United, we continue to do the right work to reduce costs and increase revenue to respond to record fuel costs and the challenging economic environment."
With fuel at current prices, it creates more than a $3 billion challenge to overcome. United believes that these actions will offset that challenge by 2009, assuming the industry as a whole takes similar actions.
When complete, the fleet reduction is expected to retire United's oldest and least fuel-efficient jets, and will lower the company's average fleet age to 11.8 years. The majority of schedule changes related to the elimination of 30 B737s previously announced are currently reflected in reservation systems. Further changes related to the retirement of an additional 50 aircraft by year end will be reflected in these systems in the near future. Schedule changes will be principally accommodated through modest reductions of underperforming markets and through frequency reductions while retaining a commitment to all five U.S. hubs. About 80 planes are expected to be out of the system by the end of 2008, with the other 20 coming out by the end of 2009. The fleet reduction also includes six Boeing 747s. As part of these changes, United is eliminating its Ted product, reconfiguring that fleet's 56 A320s to include United First class seats. The reconfiguration of the Ted aircraft will begin in spring 2009 and be completed by year-end 2009.
"The decision to dramatically reduce our capacity profile, particularly in the domestic marketplace, while over time eliminating a fleet type, is a significant step leading to a more effective and efficient operating fleet for United in the years ahead, while improving our customer experience and reliability," said John Tague, executive vice president and chief operating officer.
As United reduces the size of its operation, it is further reducing staff. United expects to reduce the number of salaried and management employees and contractors by 1,400-1,600, including the previously announced 500 employee reduction by year-end, and the company will determine the number of front-line employee furloughs as it finalizes the schedule over the next month.
The company named Joe Kolshak senior vice president of operations, overseeing United Services, Flight Operations and Operations Control. Kolshak previously served as Delta's executive vice president of operations, responsible for Delta's maintenance, flight operations, ground operations, operations control, safety and security as well as the Delta Express operations. He will be based in San Francisco, and will report to Tague.
"Joe brings a depth and breadth of experience to United that will enable us to accelerate our work to improve customer service and operational performance moving us toward a goal to be the industry leader in the U.S.," Tague said. "We are committed to building a leadership team with the capability and accountability to drive performance improvements across our company and realize the full potential of United Airlines."
Alexandria Marren was also promoted to senior vice president - Onboard Service, and will also oversee flight attendant scheduling. She previously served as vice president - Onboard Service. Marren will report to Tague. William Yantiss, vice president - Corporate Safety, Security and Environment, also will report to Tague.
Cindy Szadokierski, who has been responsible for Operations Control, will now be vice president of United Express and Airport Operations Planning, reporting to Scott Dolan, senior vice president - Airport Operations, Cargo and United Express. As a result of the reorganization, the company also announced that Bill Norman, senior vice president - United Services, and Sean Donohue, senior vice president - Flight Operations and Onboard Service, will be leaving United.
"We thank Bill and Sean for their many contributions during their long and successful careers with United, and wish them well in their future endeavors," Tague said.
 
Great, as lose my job, my house, my family, express is going to grow again. Hope they like the snj's. Can't blame fuel, I don't see any other airline ready to furlough 1000+ pilots or park 100 planes...... That's right, they are managed by people who have a clue, and have been waiting for this moment. UAL has just exposed it's juggular (sp?) chp 7 by next year.
 
This is not unexpected. Can anyone quantify the potential pilot numbers effected? How many potential furloughs?

Unfortunately, I have experience with this myself as I was furloughed from the 737 fleet shortly after 9/11. This is a tough situation. Good luck to all those involved!
 
Good luck UAL folks... we are probably not far behind.

Andy, thanks for your usual factual posts.

73

AA73, thanks; best of luck to you and everyone at AMR. ... and best of luck to everyone in the airline industry.

This is a survival move. A lot of people are going to blame management for making these cuts.
I've seen pilots post that management needs to raise fares. They've done that multiple times this year. Higher fares, along with a weakening economy, is going to result in less passengers. Is anyone surprised that capacity reductions need to be made in the face of decreasing passengers?
There's an investment saying - 'He who panics first panics best.' - Meaning that those investors who bail out of a bad situation early will preserve the most capital. That's what we're seeing here. This is about survival, not thriving. Only one company, Southwest, currently has the capability to prosper in this environment (and that edge will rapidly disappear).

Over the next year, we're going to see oil prices fall significantly as demand for oil decreases. It isn't going to save the airline industry because we're going to be in a very nasty worldwide recession (I'm calling for a mild depression). So even as we sit and watch oil prices fall, we're going to see passengers disappear faster.

For quite a while, I've anticipated being furloughed shortly after Christmas. It looks like my timing is about right. I am currently ~600 from the bottom at United. It'll take a couple of rounds of furloughs to get to me. Fortunately, I haven't retired from my AF Reserve job. I will return to that and ride this out for a few years.
I don't see the economy recovering anytime soon; I wouldn't be surprised to see a ton of airline furloughs go through 2009 or longer. This is likely to have more pilots on the street than post-911. I don't even want to guess when I can expect being recalled. Perhaps once we start seeing age 65 retirements.

Bluefin, management is to blame for some of this, but not all of it. They are trying to keep the company solvent. We're going to see several airlines disappear over the next year; it's not going to be pretty. We're also seeing airlines who have expansion plans into this downturn (Delta, CAL) - this is going to put them in deep, deep financial trouble unless they turn off the growth and start downsizing rapidly.
 
The TED branding was a joke anyway. I was somewhere out west and all over the place were signs that said "TED is part of United." No one knew what the brand was, and isn't that the point of a brand?

Nobody really knew what Song was, either. They'd book a Delta ticket and happen to be on a Song airplane and wouldn't even know it. Same with United.
 
I am sorry to hear the sad news.

On the bright side, the first furloughed, are the ones that get the crack at the other jobs out there first. 737s? I would assume SWA is foaming at the mouth to pick up these well qualified individuals. In fact I am surprised that SWA is not setting up employment booths in the UAL terminals.

The longevity of jobs is not lifetime anymore, so why is our seniority number working against us now?

National Seniority List Now.
 
I am not sure if you will see a world wide recession as you predict. Fact is that this economy has not done much since 9/11. I hope for everyones sake you are off on this. I agree that there is a cooling of world wide markets, but I do not see the fall off that you are hinting at.
I agree that this is the righting that many have predicted since 1978. It sucks but it needed to happen. We could not do it ourselves to we needed external forces to help us along. Oil is a major contributing factor in all of this. The difference is that investors have lost their will to invest in this black hole industry. There is no money coming in to it. They have finally realized that given its current structure, there is no way to turn a profit. The money will only come back when we have fixed ourselves. To do that, a lot of us will be finding other ways to feed our families.
As soon as the voluntary leaves start I am out.
 
what am I missing with the announced job cuts? They say they're going to cut 1400-1600 management, salary, and contracted workers. No flight crews?

100 aircraft is probably close to 1200 pilots and 2000 FAs. It would be great if they all kept their jobs but I doubt it very much. I think their sugar coating their press release.
 
After the cuts, in terms of fleet size, United will be smaller than or close equal to Continental. CO's cuts are still pending though.
 
They are getting cut like USAIR was prior to getting merged. Do not be surprised if United merges after all these cuts.
I just hope that ALPA figures out that the closest thing to a national seniority list is DOH.
DOH is fair . The only Union in the world that does not support this is ALPA. Hopefully they will see the light.

Marty
 
The company named Joe Kolshak senior vice president of operations, overseeing United Services, Flight Operations and Operations Control. Kolshak previously served as Delta's executive vice president of operations, responsible for Delta's maintenance, flight operations, ground operations, operations control, safety and security as well as the Delta Express operations. He will be based in San Francisco, and will report to Tague.
"Joe brings a depth and breadth of experience to United that will enable us to accelerate our work to improve customer service and operational performance moving us toward a goal to be the industry leader in the U.S.," Tague said. "We are committed to building a leadership team with the capability and accountability to drive performance improvements across our company and realize the full potential of United Airlines."
Sorry to hear this. He was bad news at DL. He was a Marine, but he missed the lesson on standing up for your troups.
 
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good point. I guess only for their pilots.
 
Some of those 20 year reserve FO's were 737 captains in the late 90's. Times change. USAIR right now has plenty of rsv f/o's on the 330 that have 25 years. So you feel they are not worth anything. Typical PFT crowd. You need to understand that DOH is lthe closest thing to a NSL.
 
Some of those 20 year reserve FO's were 737 captains in the late 90's. Times change. USAIR right now has plenty of rsv f/o's on the 330 that have 25 years. So you feel they are not worth anything. Typical PFT crowd. You need to understand that DOH is lthe closest thing to a NSL.

Well for the record I never PFT. But seriously those guys who are 25 resv fos on the 330, I feel very bad for. However, it was their choice to stay put and not beat the pavement looking for a new job. And now they want to undo a wrong done unto them by perpetrating a wrong on other people.

In other words yes what happened to you was terrible but trying to screw someone else to fix your wrong is NOT RIGHT.
 
I agree that DOH is the only way to go for a National list, only if you can move from company to company. Not if you are stuck where you are.
Portability is the key. With DOH the most senior guys would go to the best jobs, and that works.
When you are dealing with two companies there is not enough lift to spread out the pain of the junior list, ala ratio. It is the only reasonable way to do it.
 
I agree that DOH is the only way to go for a National list, only if you can move from company to company. Not if you are stuck where you are.

I agree. Why reward dedication or sacrifice to build an airline? Why not just let seniority from any ole mom and pop sh!thole count toward screwing others who care about the future? Or their coworkers?

One list. It's the democratic welfare way. Just get on the dole - we'll take care of you.

Gup
 
I agree that DOH is the only way to go for a National list, only if you can move from company to company. Not if you are stuck where you are.
Portability is the key. With DOH the most senior guys would go to the best jobs, and that works.
When you are dealing with two companies there is not enough lift to spread out the pain of the junior list, ala ratio. It is the only reasonable way to do it.

A national list could never work in this industry. There are way too many variables. Like it or not, we choose the company we want to work for, we choose to sacrifice to keep it in good shape or bleed it dry at every opportunity, and we, in the end, work for the company not the union. You bring many more problems to the table if someone is able to take his seniority to another carrier. Contract time? Screw the junior guys, if this company goes down I can take my job over to Brand X. The way it is now is far from perfect but most of the alternatives are worse.
 
So, you guys are saying if UAL craters, their pilots should just pick what airline they want to go to and displace any pilot with a later DOH?
 
Does UAL have any scope protections to keep all the 737s from being parked and replaced by RJ's?
 
Some of those 20 year reserve FO's were 737 captains in the late 90's. Times change. USAIR right now has plenty of rsv f/o's on the 330 that have 25 years. So you feel they are not worth anything. Typical PFT crowd. You need to understand that DOH is lthe closest thing to a NSL.

They were dumb enough to stay at your diseased animal of an airline. Too bad. I used to feel sorry for them but now I just think they are reaping what they've sown. I don't give a damn that a guy "used" to be a captain. That is meaningless. I used to be a captain too. At another airline. Big deal.
 
United's P&W powered 777s don't have nearly the range of other carriers GE powered aircraft. They can't fly ORD-PEK without a serious weight restriction.

Wish I would have had this information when I was flying ORD PEK in the 777, would have been handy.
 
I agree. Why reward dedication or sacrifice to build an airline? Why not just let seniority from any ole mom and pop sh!thole count toward screwing others who care about the future? Or their coworkers?

One list. It's the democratic welfare way. Just get on the dole - we'll take care of you.

Gup


I'm not sure I agree or disagree with what you're saying. (sarcasm understood)

Seniority is something you live and die by. If one can't envision a NSL then one ought to be able to fathom a non seniority based system. Let promotion come to those most suited. The end result would be very much like a NSL after everthing shakes out.

If nothing else, we could put an end to the seniority based chess match. Seniority these days isn't about your longevity so much as it is something another has that you can take.

NSL or age 65 or whatever...The question to ask is: Who is campaigning for who's job?? I know as somebody who supported age 60, I was very much NOT campaigning for someone else's job!! I wanted the deal to remain unchanged for each and every airline pilot. I could support a NSL...right up to the point where some dude wants extra credit for working at a special airline.
 

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