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Ty

There's a rumor OTOF that the B717's are going to RAH. What kind of seniority deal will you take with them? Also, I'm curious where you would now shake out on the career earnings and expectation chart.

Thank your MEC from the bottom of my heart. I'm SO glad they turned this thing down.

:bawling:
 
madjack said:
"This isn't about money,"

The most dishonest statement posted on FI!
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JT12345 said:
LMAO

You got him on that one.
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You guys post to fast so added this quote for relativity.

DH plane decended below 10k. Little late to this party thread.



Money is a factor. There a AAI admitted that.

The money is great. Just not the reason they voted it down.
 
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"We've said all along that this deal to bring AirTran's People, planes and places into the Southwest family is about offering more—more destinations and spreading more low fares farther, through the strength of our network."

GK said this today. 8/22/11 It sounds to me like he still has every intention to keep the ball rolling with "AirTrans people, planes, and places."
 
Ty Webb said:
If you think it is that simple, then you haven't really studied it.


  • Have you read the four documents that make up the proposed SIA?

  • Have you reviewed the ATL crew base reduction, and what that means for the 60% who will be displaced?

  • Have you tried to imagine the change in QoL for pilots who have lived in a base for ten years, who will now be commuting to reserve duty in junior bases, possibly for the next ten years, since they would have negative seniority?
This isn't about money, it's about being on the bottom for a decade.
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One of your guys posted on one of these threads that the majority of your guys commuted to Atl. Is that true?
 
my friends at aai both said it was in the 60% range.
 
Sacha said:
One of your guys posted on one of these threads that the majority of your guys commuted to Atl. Is that true?
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It is.

But before you draw conclusions from that, let me add that many of us "commute" from AirTran destinations that do not have direct service to SWA pilot domiciles.

Also, quite a few drive to ATL from places that are two or three hours away.

I, like many of our pilots, live in a city that has an easy ATL commute, which will likely turn into a two-leg commute through ATL.
 
Ty Webb said:
It is.

But before you draw conclusions from that, let me add that many of us "commute" from AirTran destinations that do not have direct service to SWA pilot domiciles.

Also, quite a few drive to ATL from places that are two or three hours away.

I, like many of our pilots, live in a city that has an easy ATL commute, which will likely turn into a two-leg commute through ATL.
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Two leg thru ATL? Yikes. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Good luck, and hope that prediction doesn't come true.
 
FlyinGuy said:
Ty, I think you are missing or dodging the point. Why did you ever upgrade at AT? It was not because of better bidding power...It was because of the "MONEY"!!! That is why most people upgrade...unless you were trying to get more 121 PIC so you can apply somewhere else...

Which is it? The ALPA talking points do not work when faced with reality. Have a nice day...
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Ty, you still have not answered this question!
 
This isn't about money, it's about being on the bottom for a decade.
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It's about not having a job.
 
SWA/FO, out of the park home run.

I'm, not going to post internal corporate communications but all you AT folks might want to go to CWA and read what Mr Kelly said today.
 
Judge,
Agree. Maybe this is therapudic; getting it out of our systems, etc. I still think - in a few years from now - this will be in the past, and we'll all be gathered around the same tables drinking the same spiked beverages trying to make the FA's hotter than they really are. Any planned upgrades may have been delayed - again - for some, as well as some fat pay raises, but that was probably inevitable considering this economic "soft patch."
 
xrated said:
After reading all this stuff about the WN/AT SLI, I've got one thing to say and one question.

On behalf of all AWA/UsAirways pilots, "Welcome Aboard".

My question is, when Southwest pilots get home from a trip, do they make love to their wives/girlfriends/husbands/boyfriends, or do they just masturbate to pictures of themselves?
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Well played sir! That pretty much sums up the last 10 months of this board's daily banter.
 
SWA/FO and Scoreboard - you seem to take great joy in the potential for fellow pilots to be out of a job. Real nice of you guys there. Have you ever actually heard of "the golden rule"?
 
madjack said:
Ty,

And until you see it from our perspective: an AAI seniority AND pay grab emboldened by B/M legislation, you will not get it either...at least you were getting $$ for your seniority...and as per the AIP I was going to be your FO and my DOH was before yours...cry me a river!
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Money comes and goes, seniority lasts for as long as the company is in business. Never sell seniority for money, sounds like the airtran guys understand that no matter how much the swa boys downplay it.
 
Superpilot92 said:
Money comes and goes, seniority lasts for as long as the company is in business. Never sell seniority for money, sounds like the airtran guys understand that no matter how much the swa boys downplay it.
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I'm usually kinda of a jackass, I'll admit. However, in this instance I want to say seriously that I feel bad for the good pilots at AirTran who didn't ask for what is coming their way.

ALPA has once again screwed its membership. I have no doubt that many of the AirTran pilots will carry the burden of the ALPA misjudgment of their actual leverage and usefulness. SWA is about making money and taking care of their own. ALPA, and the average AirTran pilot will get the full brunt of the BORG because ALPA didn't have sense enough to be reasonable.

To the average line guy, I'd like to say I'm sorry. Your family should not have to endure the pain inflicted on you because of a failure of your union.

Fly Safe!
 
Bill Nelson said:
I'm usually kinda of a jackass, I'll admit. However, in this instance I want to say seriously that I feel bad for the good pilots at AirTran who didn't ask for what is coming their way.

ALPA has once again screwed its membership. I have no doubt that many of the AirTran pilots will carry the burden of the ALPA misjudgment of their actual leverage and usefulness. SWA is about making money and taking care of their own. ALPA, and the average AirTran pilot will get the full brunt of the BORG because ALPA didn't have sense enough to be reasonable.

To the average line guy, I'd like to say I'm sorry. Your family should not have to endure the pain inflicted on you because of a failure of your union.

Fly Safe!
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Define "reasonable", from the outside looking in, both sides could be argued. From what I've read it appears the SWA offer was unreasonable when it came to seniority. Good luck to both of your sides
 
SWA/FO and Scoreboard - you seem to take great joy in the potential for fellow pilots to be out of a job. Real nice of you guys there. Have you ever actually heard of "the golden rule"?
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No joy, on my end. Just had to respond to Ty.
 
SkiFishFly said:
SWA/FO and Scoreboard - you seem to take great joy in the potential for fellow pilots to be out of a job. Real nice of you guys there. Have you ever actually heard of "the golden rule"?
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No joy whatsoever, this is a tragedy that you folks have been placed in, but WE didn't put you there, and YOU need to fix it, start with your MEC, look no further.
 
Sy-bill said:
I can't see how Fair and Equitable can be attained when one side gets a 2 million dollar gain in career earnings while the other gets nothing.

Pilots don't pay each others salary.

No matter, Southwest is on the way out and the Airtran deal is just adding fuel to the fire.
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Bill Nelson said:
I'm usually kinda of a jackass, I'll admit. However, in this instance I want to say seriously that I feel bad for the good pilots at AirTran who didn't ask for what is coming their way.

ALPA has once again screwed its membership. I have no doubt that many of the AirTran pilots will carry the burden of the ALPA misjudgment of their actual leverage and usefulness. SWA is about making money and taking care of their own. ALPA, and the average AirTran pilot will get the full brunt of the BORG because ALPA didn't have sense enough to be reasonable.

To the average line guy, I'd like to say I'm sorry. Your family should not have to endure the pain inflicted on you because of a failure of your union.

Fly Safe!
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Don't worry about us, Bill. We're buying a new car this week, that's how worried I am. ;)
 
This isn't over yet. Definitely a kick in the sack, but not over. I hope every AAI pilot is calling their ALPA rep.
 

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