Bob Jordan not happy

[JT12345]

reposted

 

[madjack]

Ty,

And until you see it from our perspective: an AAI seniority AND pay grab emboldened by B/M legislation, you will not get it either...at least you were getting $$ for your seniority...and as per the AIP I was going to be your FO and my DOH was before yours...cry me a river!

 

[say again]

What I don't understand is why SWA pilots feel the need to gain something from the acquiring of AT? 2 companies combined, AT became SWA, so the AT employees deserve the pay and beni's as such.

 

[Ty Webb]

Ty,

If it's not about the money bid right seat of a 717. Quality of life should be good for you there.

That is part of the problem with this list; there is no incentive to bid FO. I would have lost so much seniority it wouldn't be worth it.

Don't you want AAI guys to be able to bid down to a senior FO slot? Or would rather we remain in those seats because there's no incentive to give them up?

Why aren't you guys letting your union know this is something you want fixed? Or are you just going to bitch about it to us?

 

[jehtplane]

after reading all this stuff about the wn/at sli, i've got one thing to say and one question.

On behalf of all awa/usairways pilots, "welcome aboard".

My question is, when southwest pilots get home from a trip, do they make love to their wives/girlfriends/husbands/boyfriends, or do they just masturbate to pictures of themselves?

lmao!!!!

 

[yoyoma]

What I don't understand is why SWA pilots feel the need to gain something from the acquiring of AT? 2 companies combined, AT became SWA, so the AT employees deserve the pay and beni's as such.

is this a joke?

 

[Bill Nelson]

AT became SWA, so the AT employees deserve the pay and beni's as such.

AirTran has not become SWA. You are not SWA unless your ID badge says "you are the spirit of Southwest." Mine does, does yours?

We will see what the future holds but looking a gift horse in the mouth isn't usually the best way to impress your new boss. It will be interesting to see what he has in mind for AirTran now.

 

[madjack]

Ty,

No SWA CP bids down to SWA FO, they commute to where the $$ are their seniority holds...SWA is not asking you to do anything that no other SWA pilot has had to do...do you want to stand in the way of the company being profitable in ATL because you do not want to downgrade to SWA seniority (as per AIP) or move to hold CP (if that would be the case)? Let's call this what is really is: A seniority AND pay grab by AAI pilots who feel entitled by M/B...

 

[FlyinGuy]

That is part of the problem with this list; there is no incentive to bid FO. I would have lost so much seniority it wouldn't be worth it.

Don't you want AAI guys to be able to bid down to a senior FO slot? Or would rather we remain in those seats because there's no incentive to give them up?

Why aren't you guys letting your union know this is something you want fixed? Or are you just going to bitch about it to us?

Ty, I think you are missing or dodging the point. Why did you ever upgrade at AT? It was not because of better bidding power...It was because of the "MONEY"!!! That is why most people upgrade...unless you were trying to get more 121 PIC so you can apply somewhere else...

Which is it? The ALPA talking points do not work when faced with reality. Have a nice day...

 

[bravodude]

That is part of the problem with this list; there is no incentive to bid FO. I would have lost so much seniority it wouldn't be worth it.

Don't you want AAI guys to be able to bid down to a senior FO slot? Or would rather we remain in those seats because there's no incentive to give them up?

Why aren't you guys letting your union know this is something you want fixed? Or are you just going to bitch about it to us?

I think its great how the AT guys are changing their tune on FI from f off to why don't you guys tell SWAPA this is what you wan...t blah blah blah......What a difference an angry SWA ceo, SWA pilots flying into ATL and a disappointed AT ceo can do to your outlook.

By the way we are going to bitch about to the only person that matters our CEO and by the looks of things at least fro know he might be listening.

 

[Roomwithaview]

Ty

There's a rumor OTOF that the B717's are going to RAH. What kind of seniority deal will you take with them? Also, I'm curious where you would now shake out on the career earnings and expectation chart.

Thank your MEC from the bottom of my heart. I'm SO glad they turned this thing down.

:bawling:

 

[JT12345]

"This isn't about money,"

The most dishonest statement posted on FI!

LMAO

You got him on that one.

You guys post to fast so added this quote for relativity.

DH plane decended below 10k. Little late to this party thread.



Money is a factor. There a AAI admitted that.

The money is great. Just not the reason they voted it down.

 

[RLAblows]

"We've said all along that this deal to bring AirTran's People, planes and places into the Southwest family is about offering more—more destinations and spreading more low fares farther, through the strength of our network."

GK said this today. 8/22/11 It sounds to me like he still has every intention to keep the ball rolling with "AirTrans people, planes, and places."

 

[Sacha]

If you think it is that simple, then you haven't really studied it.

• Have you read the four documents that make up the proposed SIA?

• Have you reviewed the ATL crew base reduction, and what that means for the 60% who will be displaced?

• Have you tried to imagine the change in QoL for pilots who have lived in a base for ten years, who will now be commuting to reserve duty in junior bases, possibly for the next ten years, since they would have negative seniority?

This isn't about money, it's about being on the bottom for a decade.

One of your guys posted on one of these threads that the majority of your guys commuted to Atl. Is that true?

 

[CaptWidgeon]

my friends at aai both said it was in the 60% range.

 

[BoilerUP]

There's a rumor OTOF that the B717's are going to RAH.

Anybody who has ever read a RJET 10-Q knows that's the stupidest rumor in a forum full of stupid rumors.

 

[Ty Webb]

One of your guys posted on one of these threads that the majority of your guys commuted to Atl. Is that true?

It is.

But before you draw conclusions from that, let me add that many of us "commute" from AirTran destinations that do not have direct service to SWA pilot domiciles.

Also, quite a few drive to ATL from places that are two or three hours away.

I, like many of our pilots, live in a city that has an easy ATL commute, which will likely turn into a two-leg commute through ATL.

 

[nwaf16dude]

It is.

But before you draw conclusions from that, let me add that many of us "commute" from AirTran destinations that do not have direct service to SWA pilot domiciles.

Also, quite a few drive to ATL from places that are two or three hours away.

I, like many of our pilots, live in a city that has an easy ATL commute, which will likely turn into a two-leg commute through ATL.

Two leg thru ATL? Yikes. I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. Good luck, and hope that prediction doesn't come true.

 

[FlyinGuy]

Ty, I think you are missing or dodging the point. Why did you ever upgrade at AT? It was not because of better bidding power...It was because of the "MONEY"!!! That is why most people upgrade...unless you were trying to get more 121 PIC so you can apply somewhere else...

Which is it? The ALPA talking points do not work when faced with reality. Have a nice day...

Ty, you still have not answered this question!

 

[SWA/FO]

This isn't about money, it's about being on the bottom for a decade.

It's about not having a job.