binding arbitration for Delta

[Superpilot92]

They are getting exactly what they want--great raises and arbitration.

NALPA has said numerous times that they want to reach a joint SLI that is agreed upon by both sides. The only way either side wants arbitration is if a joint SLI cant be worked out quickly, then and only then has both sides it would pursue expedited arbitration. The point is we need to make sure this isnt a USair mess and we need the efficiencies the merger will provide in order to be a successful New DAL which is in ALL of our best interests. Here's to hoping cooler heads prevail in the SLI just as they did for the TA.:beer:

 

[Superpilot92]

What exactly is a DC-9 refugee?

Its a DAL Fear grenade term . As of right now we are keeping more DC9s then we originally were so if RA's plan is true then RJs will get parked and the DC9s will cover that flying. Fins is right though about scope, it is a big deal especially in these economic times. If UAL had a thorough Scope language than their pilots might not be hitting the streets since the increased RJ's would be mainline aircraft.

Any idea when we will get an update from the MEC in regards to the TA?

 

[~~~^~~~]

....and of course the affected DCI and Airlink pilots aren't even envited to the table.....

Joe, enjoy the fact you are not at this table. You benefit from not being here & keep potential causes of action open.

It looks to me like NWA's DC9 flying will be outsourced and mainline is too focused on equity pay outs and raises to focus on their own job protections.

Whether Mesaba, Compass, Comair, or some version of your SkyWest gets the flying isn't decided here. Best to get on the phone with Jerry.

Probably be best to keep your powder dry and just wait for all of your alleged enemies to simply shoot eachother. Then you can pick up all the flying they forgot was important.

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

Have you seen the TA? Does it lift the restriction of anything over 70 or is it 76 will be flown by dal pilots? If no scope is relaxed there will eventually be something in between the 76 seaters (capped at 255 I believe) and the 88/319s. Too large of a gap. The replacement may not be here manana but as long as WE don't bend, they will eventually have to order something and we will be flying it.

Joe, enjoy the fact you are not at this table. You benefit from not being here & keep potential causes of action open.

It looks to me like NWA's DC9 flying will be outsourced and mainline is too focused on equity pay outs and raises to focus on their own job protections.

Whether Mesaba, Compass, Comair, or some version of your SkyWest gets the flying isn't decided here. Best to get on the phone with Jerry.

Probably be best to keep your powder dry and just wait for all of your alleged enemies to simply shoot eachother. Then you can pick up all the flying they forgot was important.

 

[Schwanker]

It looks to me like NWA's DC9 flying will be outsourced .....

Really? What gives you that idea?

I thought is was the inefficient 767s that were getting retired and the DAL guys were climbing all over themselves trying to bump junior NWA guys out of their seats. And now the -9s are going away? What gives???

 

[Muskycat]

Really? What gives you that idea?

I thought is was the inefficient 767s that were getting retired and the DAL guys were climbing all over themselves trying to bump junior NWA guys out of their seats. And now the -9s are going away? What gives???

Inefficient 767's as opposed to the efficient 74's and DC9's with little range serving low yield markets???

"And now the -9s are going away? "

Umm, Yes! You had 160+, you now have 60+. Therefore the trend indicates that indeed the 9's are going away.

 

[jester757]

"Some people you just can't reach..."

 

[Superpilot92]

Inefficient 767's as opposed to the efficient 74's and DC9's with little range serving low yield markets???

"And now the -9s are going away? "

Umm, Yes! You had 160+, you now have 60+. Therefore the trend indicates that indeed the 9's are going away.

YOU had how many 737-200/300's ? Your argument leaves out ALOT of factors.

Fact is we currently will be holding onto 61 DC9s. They will be used for the 100 seat market that the new DAL needs to replace 50 seaters. It appears DAL wants to go after Airtran in ATL even more now that Airtran is getting beat up on. This industry is going to change and bigger planes are better right now.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

....and of course the affected DCI and Airlink pilots aren't even envited to the table.....

Ok Joe...I'll Bite....

and WHY should THEY even be at THAT table??? inquiring minds and all....

 

[Muskycat]

YOU had how many 737-200/300's ? Your argument leaves out ALOT of factors.

Fact is we currently will be holding onto 61 DC9s. They will be used for the 100 seat market that the new DAL needs to replace 50 seaters. It appears DAL wants to go after Airtran in ATL even more now that Airtran is getting beat up on. This industry is going to change and bigger planes are better right now.

Exactly, We HAD. You still have....Past vs present. Big difference.
Meaning you need to clean house.

 

[Superpilot92]

Exactly, We HAD. You still have....Past vs present. Big difference.
Meaning you need to clean house.

OR we hold the line, use these planes until a replacement is found instead of giving the scope farm away like you did with that flying. It appears currently that is the plan and lets hope so. You can try to justify all day long that you guys "cleaned house" but in reality you gave away all that flying. Lets NOT do that this time, mmmkkkkayyy!!

Times are different now and bigger planes are needed which is what puts us collectively in a better position to hold onto this flying.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Superpilot:

Did I miss something? Where's the NWA MEC's endorsement of this TA'd agreement? I'm hearing crickets....

 

[DTW320]

Superpilot:

Did I miss something?YES. Where's the NWA MEC's endorsement of this TA'd agreement? I'm hearing crickets....

Special MEC meeting 6/26 - 6/27 in MSP.

Lee Moak is there at it. You must have missed the memo...Apparently you are the only one hearing crickets.

 

[Superpilot92]

Superpilot:

Did I miss something? Where's the NWA MEC's endorsement of this TA'd agreement? I'm hearing crickets....

Its rumored to be out today after the special meetings are over, I suspect that since DALPA unanimously and quickly signed off on it that means DALPA was happy with it thus i would imagine our side feels the same. I hope that all the details will be out once both sides have signed off on it. I am curious if section 1 was restricted like the rumors are saying? We'll see.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Ok Joe...I'll Bite....

and WHY should THEY even be at THAT table??? inquiring minds and all....

Good question.

How do we know they are effected? If LOA19 and the Section 1 language is carried over, then it is status quo. If Joe knows, he knows something no one else knows....

I think he's fishing.