Big meeting: Skywest, ASA/XJet, Alpa, SAPA

[ERfly]

Could be a way to park the ERJs.

You said this on the pipe and were immediately corrected as to how that would not be possible. If we were flying ERJs for Delta, maybe, but we're not and haven't been since September 2nd, 2008.

 

[i fly boxes]

Honestly be carefull of all of a sudden we want to merge the groups! Look what it did to 9e, xj, and 9l Im not saying i favor 3 lists and a whipsaw, all I am saying is that if suddenly management wants to do it, there is a reason. The training costs associated with cross training fleets are huge.

 

[Freebrd]

So if the ASA and Xjet merger created a "Super" Regional, what would adding Skywest create? Mega? Ultra? SureJet?

SureMegaJet!

 

[Freebrd]

Relax everybody. The groups were getting together to film their own "This Is My ExpressJet" film series. The deadline is tomorrow.

lmao classic, good one

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Honestly be carefull of all of a sudden we want to merge the groups! Look what it did to 9e, xj, and 9l Im not saying i favor 3 lists and a whipsaw, all I am saying is that if suddenly management wants to do it, there is a reason. The training costs associated with cross training fleets are huge.

One list, joint contract, bankruptcy, contract gutted, everybody FUBAR. Good point!

 

[goahead]

You said this on the pipe and were immediately corrected as to how that would not be possible. If we were flying ERJs for Delta, maybe, but we're not and haven't been since September 2nd, 2008.

I'd be careful to say impossible in aviation. Management will always win the big battles while making us think we won something. No I don't thing the ERJs willmgomanywhere until they're replaced.

 

[Nevets]

Could be a way to park the ERJs.

There already is a way to park ERJs.

Honestly be carefull of all of a sudden we want to merge the groups! Look what it did to 9e, xj, and 9l Im not saying i favor 3 lists and a whipsaw, all I am saying is that if suddenly management wants to do it, there is a reason. The training costs associated with cross training fleets are huge.

I'm sure there would be some kind of seat lock. Isn't there already a seat lock of sorts anyway?

 

[i fly boxes]

There already is a way to park ERJs.



I'm sure there would be some kind of seat lock. Isn't there already a seat lock of sorts anyway?

your management is smarter than ours, well our past management anyways. But Delta wanted us in Chapter 11 so we had no seat locks and people could bid whatever they wanted too as long as the quotas were met. We had people going from saabs to 900s and 200s to q's. It was all planned on our part which is why i said that if management suddenly changes for our good, it usually doesnt end up staying good.

 

[BOX OFFICE]

Ps. If there is integration, the employees choose the representation not the company, so we can all be treated equally with equal representation, and the skyw guys won't get the extra koolaid parties from sgu. There has been whip-sawing, but with at least some of the group being alpa, the company has been motivated to keep the rest happy to prevent more organizing. If we were merged and gave up representation (I DONT CARE WHAT SGU TELLS YOU, SAPA IS NOT REPRESENTATION) there would be nothing to prevent the company from imposing its own compensation and work rules on the whole pilot group, which is their end game.

So what happens if 40% of ASA votes no ALPA, 90% of SKW votes no ALPA, and 20% of XJT votes no ALPA. run the numbers and tell me if you get 51%. Sounds to me like Uncle Jerry is trying to rid himself of your pesky little union once and for all. Your prediction may not actually be that far off.

Remember people... they're playing chess, and he just put ALPA in check.

 

[Nevets]

So what happens if 40% of ASA votes no ALPA, 90% of SKW votes no ALPA, and 20% of XJT votes no ALPA. run the numbers and tell me if you get 51%. Sounds to me like Uncle Jerry is trying to rid himself of your pesky little union once and for all. Your prediction may not actually be that far off.

Remember people... they're playing chess, and he just put ALPA in check.

We can all make assumptions about numbers, especially since Skywest voted ~65% against ALPA last time. But in your scenario, it would depend on what other union (SAPA for example) was also voted for. Then it would be the plurality of the majority (50%+1).

 

[Oakum_Boy]

Teamsters Express, baby.

 

[Freebrd]

bring back Jimmy, Jimmy Hoffa!

 

[XPOO]

As long as the Atkin family maintains complete control of the company, its all just a pipe dream. SkyWest Airlines is their baby and they will not allow you to taint what they've spent 40 years creating.

 

[10nCLR]

As long as the Atkin family maintains complete control of the company, its all just a pipe dream. SkyWest Airlines is their baby and they will not allow you to taint what they've spent 40 years creating.

Exactly what he said. It's all just a pipe dream.

 

[Nevets]

It has nothing to do with family. It's all about business and the bottom line. The second that the BOD feel that it's good business, they will do it regardless of anyone's relation. Doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean we cannot influence that decision, it just makes it what it is.

 

[XPOO]

It has nothing to do with family. It's all about business and the bottom line. The second that the BOD feel that it's good business, they will do it regardless of anyone's relation. Doesn't make it right and it doesn't mean we cannot influence that decision, it just makes it what it is.

Who do you think is Chairman of the Board? Jerry Atkin

Who owns the controlling interest of company stock? The Atkin Family

Good luck, Nevets.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

As long as the Atkin family maintains complete control of the company, its all just a pipe dream. SkyWest Airlines is their baby and they will not allow you to taint what they've spent 40 years creating.

Not that I disagree with you, Xpoo, but if you glimpse into the not too distant future you can see there will be quite a big challenge for Inc. Why is the Inc Board talking to all the groups? Why are they changing their MOP now? Because in about 3 years the hiring wave at the legacy Carriers will hit its full stride and there's very few coming up through the flight schools... Think about it for a second... Delta alone is gonna need in the neighborhood of 7000 pilots in the next 10 years AND THATS 1 Airline...... Throw in Unical, American, USAir, Southwest and that number gets unfathomable... Brad Holt and Charlie Tutt have already admitted they don't know exactly what they're gonna do. Its becoming harmful to Inc. when XJET hires a pilot that SkyWest can no longer
And vice versa. You can slow attrition slightly by allowing people to live where they want to, and give new hires the whole country to be based out of.

Inc isnt going to have a baby if they don't adapt. I believe they will and part of that process will be integrating the pilot group as a whole.

 

[XPOO]

You wouldn't like my answer, but suffice to say the SKW side will be just fine. XJT/ASQ? Draw your own conclusion. I'll let you know when they start breaking ground on a third building here at HDQ, but until then its all smoke and mirrors.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

You wouldn't like my answer, but suffice to say the SKW side will be just fine. XJT/ASQ? Draw your own conclusion. I'll let you know when they start breaking ground on a third building here at HDQ, but until then its all smoke and mirrors.

So you eliminate the ASQ side and somehow shrink to profitability on the SkyWest side? There arent enough pilots on the regional side, they're headed upwards. ASQ is in Delta's backyard, i guess SkyWest would give that up as well? Or would they just take over? And then with what pilots?

 

[XPOO]

Well, SKW is already profitable. Maybe it goes something like this: Inc operates some 500 50-seat or less regional jets and turboprobs. As those aircraft are retired, I dont see Inc replacing those 1-for-1 with 70-90 seat regional jets. Maybe more like a 2- or 3-for-1 swap. SkyWest mabe shrinks from 754 aircraft to 500. There's one way to eliminate your need for more pilots. But during this process SKW grows while ASQ shrinks. Just a theory.

 

[Freebrd]

you're a dispatcher, shouldn't you be looking at eBay?

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Well, SKW is already profitable. Maybe it goes something like this: Inc operates some 500 50-seat or less regional jets and turboprobs. As those aircraft are retired, I dont see Inc replacing those 1-for-1 with 70-90 seat regional jets. Maybe more like a 2- or 3-for-1 swap. SkyWest mabe shrinks from 754 aircraft to 500. There's one way to eliminate your need for more pilots. But during this process SKW grows while ASQ shrinks. Just a theory.

I'm not taking this discussion as an attack Xpoo, just curious how you're thinking. I do believe XJET was purchased for its pilots as the e145's will be eliminated. Last earnings call XJT was profitable as well, brought in close to 20 million in revenue while SkyWest brought in around 10 million. Overall, Brad Rich stated Inc is very pleased with the "cost synergies" xjet is now gaining. I think you'll agree that profit margins on both the SkyWest side and Xjet side are razor thin... Inc purchased Xjet and combined it with ASA trying to get those margins up... They're still thin and investors arent biting.... By eliminating ASQ you are eliminating the "padding" effect of those margins. Investors would bail FAST. Right now Inc has economies of scale on its side... I believe they will grow that. I dont believe they will combine the Companies, only the groups like a Republic for instance.

 

[AntiJedi]

I dont believe they will combine the Companies, only the groups like a Republic for instance.

Even if they don't combine the companies, there will still be the large hurdle of seniority integration across the remaining departments. I don't know who all is unionized at XJET, but you can certainly bet that the non-union employees equivilants at SKW won't cave in and say, "Okay, we accept your staple, despite the fact that we earned to money to buy you."

 

[XPOO]

Even if they don't combine the companies, there will still be the large hurdle of seniority integration across the remaining departments.

It's still a moot point until HDQ adds more office space. The place is pretty much operating at capacity as it is now.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

Even if they don't combine the companies, there will still be the large hurdle of seniority integration across the remaining departments. I don't know who all is unionized at XJET, but you can certainly bet that the non-union employees equivilants at SKW won't cave in and say, "Okay, we accept your staple, despite the fact that we earned to money to buy you."

While there are a ton of logistics to work out, there will be no staple (allegheny/mohawk).... Delta and Unical will start hiring soon... If XJET can't staff its side, who's bottom line does that ultimately affect? Same goes with SkyWest, if cancellations due to lack of crew on either side happen, it all affects the bottom line the same...

I believe last tues-thurs is the beginning to "working out those logistics."

 

[Erlanger]

I guess that cut n paste wont work.

 

[Thebadcat1313]

It's still a moot point until HDQ adds more office space. The place is pretty much operating at capacity as it is now.

There's plenty of room in Atlanta for expansion ;-).

 

[XPOO]

There's plenty of room in Atlanta for expansion ;-).

I have some ocean front property to sell you in Arizona, too.

 

[dojetdriver]

I don't know who all is unionized at XJET, but you can certainly bet that the non-union employees equivilants at SKW won't cave in and say, "Okay, we accept your staple, despite the fact that we earned to money to buy you."

For ANYBODY to think that stapling a employees is STILL and option, I feel sorry for them. At least, if the employee group DOESN'T want to be stapled anyway.

Ever heard of the McCaskil bond? Pretty sure it applies to non unionized as well.

 

[Texx]

For ANYBODY to think that stapling a employees is STILL and option, I feel sorry for them. At least, if the employee group DOESN'T want to be stapled anyway.

Ever heard of the McCaskil bond? Pretty sure it applies to non unionized as well.

If your non union then your at will employment.