Big League Beatdown of AFA Cadink

[stonewall]

Was that so hard?

Nope, not all. And that's how it should've happened.

 

[Scrapdog]

As far StrikeEagle guys "faking" a GAB during this cadet's ride, that shouldn't be too hard. Last time I checked, the 4th FW had about a 30% MX delivery rate. My last two 4vX's with the 4th FW turned into 4v2's after step. Major X should talk to someone about getting more jets in the air before he talks about who should and shouldn't get rides.

Magnum - I certainly remember that Strike Eagle 4v2 clown act...I was leading red if I remember right. Four 1986 F-16's providing red air to a ricockulous scenario on station on time. Four, no wait - two 1990's F-15E's on station 15-20 minutes late for their blue ACT ride (I think it was ACT LOL). :laugh:

What's my point? It's good to see you back on here! Couldn't lay off the crack cocaine otherwise known as FI huh?

 

[Scrapdog]

C3C had some big nads asking for a ride in an F-15E in the first place--why not a ride in a C-130, C-5, C-17, or KC-135--hmmm, not glamorous enough. Guess things have changed since my time, cell phones vs. waiting 3 months & earning the right to use the pay phone for 5 minutes... Maybe a sense of entitlement has swept across the terrazzo.

I look down & see that my shoes are now brown...

Who cares that he wanted fighter rides. Maybe the kid wants to be a fighter pilot. When I was a C3C on summer break I asked for every T-38, F-16, and F-15 ride I could get (politely obviously). I wanted to fly fighters...did I have something against C-130's, C-5's, or C-17's, or any heavy du jour? Of course not, I just wanted to be a fighter pilot - it had nothing to do with entitlement at all. You've missed the entire point of the thread - the F-15E could have been any fighter with a 2 place cockpit...the point was the Major's haenious (sp?) email back to the kid. Is the Major a horrible dude - no, but common sense and courtesy were certainly lacking.

And yes, I flew F-15's...and no, I didn't have sex with my crew chief so don't even go there!! :smash:

 

[scoreboard]

This isn't about C-130's or heavies or fighters. It's about a kid knowingly going outside chain of command, harassing schedulers, then when the Bro's try to feed the kid a dose of reality, he cries to Mom. Now, some of you SNAP's (Magnum) take sides with the kid, someone who is evidently a product of the "entitlement generation". I take sides with the guy trying to do the job you get paid to do, defend the country, not give out joy rides.

 

[737ski]

Who cares that he wanted fighter rides. Maybe the kid wants to be a fighter pilot. When I was a C3C on summer break I asked for every T-38, F-16, and F-15 ride I could get (politely obviously). I wanted to fly fighters...did I have something against C-130's, C-5's, or C-17's, or any heavy du jour? Of course not, I just wanted to be a fighter pilot - it had nothing to do with entitlement at all. You've missed the entire point of the thread - the F-15E could have been any fighter with a 2 place cockpit...the point was the Major's haenious (sp?) email back to the kid. Is the Major a horrible dude - no, but common sense and courtesy were certainly lacking.

And yes, I flew F-15's...and no, I didn't have sex with my crew chief so don't even go there!! :smash:

I am very proud of you, typical "pointy, nosed Hero" response--bash the heavy community as the second rate choices. Amazing how humble you get at 30W... You know we all wind up in the right seat somewhere, as you have. I was more than happy to graduate & get through UPT. I never, ever put the cart before the horse. C3C certainly did. There are folks on your ops af break that coordinate those things--don't let your ego run amok & work those things on your own...

I think that C3C was out of line going VFR direct. Maj's response was probably not appropriate, but his AOC's debrief should have been as such...

Sorry, if I offended you as a cell phone carting cadet...

 

[Deuce130]

This isn't about C-130's or heavies or fighters. It's about a kid knowingly going outside chain of command, harassing schedulers, then when the Bro's try to feed the kid a dose of reality, he cries to Mom. Now, some of you SNAP's (Magnum) take sides with the kid, someone who is evidently a product of the "entitlement generation". I take sides with the guy trying to do the job you get paid to do, defend the country, not give out joy rides.

Dude, you have completely missed the point. Where was this "harassment" you keep talking about? How do you know the cadet elevated this? When an email is sent to 50 other guys, it's gonna spread like wildfire around the AF. I'm sure it was in the WG/CC inbox within 30 minutes. A LT scheduler can't handle an aggressive Cadet? The scheduler cries to mom (in this case, the Chief of Stan/Eval) to do his dirty work? This is not about whether the kid was correct or incorrect in having the nerve to ask for a ride (I mean, how dare he? A Strike Eagle ride?? OMG!) but is about the ridiculous, immature, mean-spirited, moronic response to a 19 or 20 year old kid that did much more than simply tell him "No ride for you, we're too busy." He took time out of his busy job defending the country to write the email in the first place, he went so far to read the kids high school blog, belittle his given name, make fun of him being a cadet, question his work ethic, whine about how his training squadron is at war, call him names, and just be an all around jerk. Now, if he had talked to a 19 or 20 year old A1C like that, he'd most likely be given an article 15 as a minimum. If you act like a dick, then don't be surprised when you get called one. The second ridiculous thing is the fact that he CC'd about 50 other 'bros' and asked them to pile on to his "mentoring" session. How is that acceptable to you? I'd expect a 15 year old to do that kind of crap, not a AF instructor/evaluator. Q-3 for judgement. If you honestly think it's cool to do what this guy did, then you've got a problem. It wasn't cool to treat people like this in 1976 and it's still not cool in 2006.

 

[Scrapdog]

I am very proud of you, typical "pointy, nosed Hero" response--bash the heavy community as the second rate choices. Amazing how humble you get at 30W... You know we all wind up in the right seat somewhere, as you have. I was more than happy to graduate & get through UPT. I never, ever put the cart before the horse. C3C certainly did. There are folks on your ops af break that coordinate those things--don't let your ego run amok & work those things on your own...

I think that C3C was out of line going VFR direct. Maj's response was probably not appropriate, but his AOC's debrief should have been as such...

Sorry, if I offended you as a cell phone carting cadet...

For the down to earth heavy guys like Pkober and Deuce - please note that not once did I bash or insult the heavy community in any way. On the contrary I said specifically I have nothing at all against anyone flying a heavy, whatever the aircraft may be.

737ski - stop being a tool. And thank you for being proud of me...at least I know one person is.

 

[scoreboard]

Deuce, this is much ado about nothing, "the lady doth protest to much". If your taking this so seriously, peace my friend.

 

[Pistlpetet]

This MAJ in question must hone his writing skills here on Flightinfo.com, and be too use to flaming young punks.

 

[swa737-700]

This major seems to be very full of himself and I hope everyone looks for his name on your airline's interview list. You just might want to make the CP aware of this dude's desire to work for your company. IMHO, he has no business in the customer service (airline) industry.

 

[Mud Eagle]

This major seems to be very full of himself and I hope everyone looks for his name on your airline's interview list. You just might want to make the CP aware of this dude's desire to work for your company. IMHO, he has no business in the customer service (airline) industry.

You make that suggestion based on reading one email?

The process will sort itself out without the kind of black listing you're suggesting...this is why applicants have internal references that they have personally flown with and are interviewed in person.

 

[Occam's Razor]

You make that suggestion based on reading one email?

Isn't that what Major _____ did to the cadet?

If you think it's unfair to judge a man from an e-mail, I hope you take a minute to explain that to the good major.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Scoreboard,

Methinks you're a retard. You shouldn't try so hard to perpetuate negative stereotypes of fighter pilots.

 

[stonewall]

It's about a kid knowingly going outside chain of command

,

There is no "procedure" or chain of command to go home on leave and ask a local squadron for a ride. Like I said, I was the chief of scheduling in a fighter squadron 6 years ago and we got many calls like this.

harassing schedulers

More like harassing casual LTs working in the scheduling shop. Poor 2LTs couldn't handle a C3C and went VFR direct to an O-4. What was your comment about the chain of command again?

then when the Bro's try to feed the kid a dose of reality,

More like an ambush by a 33 y/o + freaking MAJOR to an unexpecting 19 y/o cadet. Some dose.

he cries to Mom.

No evidence of that. Like Deuce said, this was probably in the WG/CCs inbox by COB.

Now, some of you SNAP's (Magnum)

Whatever old timer. Like I said, I was a shop chief over 6 yrs ago. I was gunning Eagles long before you even knew what SNAP meant.

I take sides with the guy trying to do the job you get paid to do, defend the country, not give out joy rides

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I'll take his side every time in the air (when his chariot actually gets airborne), and Major X should spend more time talking about the tactics he raved about and doing his job than writing punk ass emails. Also, a fam ride is not a joy ride. Do you not know the difference between a FAM ride and an incentive ride, either?

 

[stonewall]

Deuce, this is much ado about nothing, "the lady doth protest to much". If your taking this so seriously, peace my friend.

Weren't you the one that came out swinging and calling everyone a *************************? Now it's no biggie? Just admit you judged this one wrong, Scoreboard, and move on.

 

[airgator]

That MAJ and LT scheduler and all their friends on the CC list make the entire fighter community look like a bunch of jackasses. They can play crud and drink jeremiah weed and jerk each other off all day for all I care, they're a bunch of F'ing tools and I hope to god everyone highlights his name and passes it to the CP at their airline so in a year when he wants to cross over to the customer service industry and has to deal with people his app will get tossed in the garbage. What a loser. I don't know what's worse, the prick Major or all the asskissing email responses back to the cadet. The entire thing makes me embarrased to be in the Air Force. FUBIJAR

 

[SB Diver]

This argument sounds similar to those who think spanking is child abuse...

 

[McGillicutty]

Jesus. What a stupid e-mail train; both the cadet and the Major are dorks.

 

[The_Russian]

"In a world where both of our cars were totally under water."

 

[stonewall]

This argument sounds similar to those who think spanking is child abuse...

Letting your kid grow up to fly EA-6's...now THAT'S child abuse.