Was that so hard?
Nope, not all. And that's how it should've happened.
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Was that so hard?
Nope, not all. And that's how it should've happened.
As far StrikeEagle guys "faking" a GAB during this cadet's ride, that shouldn't be too hard. Last time I checked, the 4th FW had about a 30% MX delivery rate. My last two 4vX's with the 4th FW turned into 4v2's after step. Major X should talk to someone about getting more jets in the air before he talks about who should and shouldn't get rides.
C3C had some big nads asking for a ride in an F-15E in the first place--why not a ride in a C-130, C-5, C-17, or KC-135--hmmm, not glamorous enough. Guess things have changed since my time, cell phones vs. waiting 3 months & earning the right to use the pay phone for 5 minutes... Maybe a sense of entitlement has swept across the terrazzo.
I look down & see that my shoes are now brown...
I am very proud of you, typical "pointy, nosed Hero" response--bash the heavy community as the second rate choices. Amazing how humble you get at 30W... You know we all wind up in the right seat somewhere, as you have. I was more than happy to graduate & get through UPT. I never, ever put the cart before the horse. C3C certainly did. There are folks on your ops af break that coordinate those things--don't let your ego run amok & work those things on your own...Who cares that he wanted fighter rides. Maybe the kid wants to be a fighter pilot. When I was a C3C on summer break I asked for every T-38, F-16, and F-15 ride I could get (politely obviously). I wanted to fly fighters...did I have something against C-130's, C-5's, or C-17's, or any heavy du jour? Of course not, I just wanted to be a fighter pilot - it had nothing to do with entitlement at all. You've missed the entire point of the thread - the F-15E could have been any fighter with a 2 place cockpit...the point was the Major's haenious (sp?) email back to the kid. Is the Major a horrible dude - no, but common sense and courtesy were certainly lacking.
And yes, I flew F-15's...and no, I didn't have sex with my crew chief so don't even go there!! :smash:
This isn't about C-130's or heavies or fighters. It's about a kid knowingly going outside chain of command, harassing schedulers, then when the Bro's try to feed the kid a dose of reality, he cries to Mom. Now, some of you SNAP's (Magnum) take sides with the kid, someone who is evidently a product of the "entitlement generation". I take sides with the guy trying to do the job you get paid to do, defend the country, not give out joy rides.
I am very proud of you, typical "pointy, nosed Hero" response--bash the heavy community as the second rate choices. Amazing how humble you get at 30W... You know we all wind up in the right seat somewhere, as you have. I was more than happy to graduate & get through UPT. I never, ever put the cart before the horse. C3C certainly did. There are folks on your ops af break that coordinate those things--don't let your ego run amok & work those things on your own...
I think that C3C was out of line going VFR direct. Maj's response was probably not appropriate, but his AOC's debrief should have been as such...
Sorry, if I offended you as a cell phone carting cadet...
This major seems to be very full of himself and I hope everyone looks for his name on your airline's interview list. You just might want to make the CP aware of this dude's desire to work for your company. IMHO, he has no business in the customer service (airline) industry.
You make that suggestion based on reading one email?
,It's about a kid knowingly going outside chain of command
There is no "procedure" or chain of command to go home on leave and ask a local squadron for a ride. Like I said, I was the chief of scheduling in a fighter squadron 6 years ago and we got many calls like this.
harassing schedulers
More like harassing casual LTs working in the scheduling shop. Poor 2LTs couldn't handle a C3C and went VFR direct to an O-4. What was your comment about the chain of command again?
then when the Bro's try to feed the kid a dose of reality,
More like an ambush by a 33 y/o + freaking MAJOR to an unexpecting 19 y/o cadet. Some dose.
he cries to Mom.
No evidence of that. Like Deuce said, this was probably in the WG/CCs inbox by COB.
Now, some of you SNAP's (Magnum)
Whatever old timer. Like I said, I was a shop chief over 6 yrs ago. I was gunning Eagles long before you even knew what SNAP meant.
.I take sides with the guy trying to do the job you get paid to do, defend the country, not give out joy rides
I'll take his side every time in the air (when his chariot actually gets airborne), and Major X should spend more time talking about the tactics he raved about and doing his job than writing punk ass emails. Also, a fam ride is not a joy ride. Do you not know the difference between a FAM ride and an incentive ride, either?
Deuce, this is much ado about nothing, "the lady doth protest to much". If your taking this so seriously, peace my friend.
This argument sounds similar to those who think spanking is child abuse...