Big cabin airplane impressions

[LegacyDriver]

As usual G-V pops in just long enough to obscure and misrepresent my statements before running away... I did not say our cruise fuel flow was 1250/side. That is a rule of thumb for planning. Five hour flight multiply 2500 * 5 and add a couple thousand pounds for reserve. You will always come out ahead.


Our cruise burn is 1150/hr/side at 380 for the first hour... We drop down below 1050/hr/engine for the last couple of hours. I imagine the numbers at 400 and 410 would be a little better.

Again what I presented was a rule of thumb that works very well. Fly it for 1000 hours and you will burn no more than (and actually less than 2.5M pounds). For the size of the plane those are pretty good numbers.


If you wanna pay 50M for a plane that does all that G-V stuff then by all means go for it. The Legacy isn't competeing in that market.

Our cost per mile is lower by far than a G-V, 550, 450... And we've already hit the warranty aspect. This airplane's warranty and mx program is very good and inexpensive. I hear no complaints from anyone about Embraer's warranty but Gulfstream pilots...

 

[SCT]

G200,
Are you guys getting a 7X? DA is selling hard for my company to buy one..........we were kinda hoping for one of those "southern" built aeroplanes, though.

 

[rice]

not sure...rumor is DA is going winglets!

I just felt a jolt in the earth's rotation. Or was that Marcel rolling over???????
Seriously, you had to figure that they'd come around sooner or later.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Asked the guys on 699. Their avg balls to the wall fuel burn per hour...taxi...climb...cruise...landing...taxi... Worked out to 1250/hr /engine. We burn far less than 1250 a side in cruise.

I am sure the V burns a lot more than that on avg for each hour of flight.

Also I should point out that saying the warranty is only 5 years is misleading.


There are other warranty programs. The Legacy Total Care is available for the lifetime of the aircraft. It is all up to the owner.

At 2 bucks a gallon our DOC is less than 1500 bucks an hour (sorry old numbers and fuzzy but...). What would a G-V cost per hour at 2 bucks a gllon?

How about three?

Four?

Five?

Just curious.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

G200,
Are you guys getting a 7X? DA is selling hard for my company to buy one..........we were kinda hoping for one of those "southern" built aeroplanes, though.

Im sure they will ALL sell you hard!

I guess whatever fits your needs.

I think we will wait on those Savannah things until the G-600 hits the line.





until then I fly whatever they buy me, and like it.



.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Also I should point out that saying the warranty is only 5 years is misleading.


There are other warranty programs. The Legacy Total Care is available for the lifetime of the aircraft. It is all up to the owner.

At 2 bucks a gallon our DOC is less than 1500 bucks an hour (sorry old numbers and fuzzy but...). What would a G-V cost per hour at 2 bucks a gllon?

How about three?

Four?

Five?

Just curious.

do you ever feel like you are standing in a corner, facing the wall, and are mumbling to yourself??

 

[LegacyDriver]

Yes all the time!!! My wife won't listen to me either.



Sorry. Hey I saw the PlaneView in the G450 at NBAA today and all I can say is...

"Holy sh**!!!!!!!!"

Awesome. EVS.. Awesome.

Awesome.

Awesome.

Did I say awesome?

 

[matchthehatch]

You're scaring the crap out of me!

yes. I was young and stupid.

I now actually VALUE the safety of myself and my passengers.

You got a ADG on that 2000?

What happens when you lose a generator on a tech stop in Shannon?

for the love of God stop risking you life 2000flyer!

OK, I'm scared now. Currently in G200 initial and I believe we have a trip to EU on the books for the summer. Hope my boss doesn't worry when I plop my a$$ down in the seat wearing a cold water survival suit.
http://www.activitymarine.com/survival.html

 

[Gulfstream 200]

OK, I'm scared now. Currently in G200 initial and I believe we have a trip to EU on the books for the summer. Hope my boss doesn't worry when I plop my a$$ down in the seat wearing a cold water survival suit.
http://www.activitymarine.com/survival.html

boss bought a G200?...my condolences (kidding..)

Is Love Field still the service center? I suggest the Embassy Suites for weekly/monthly rates (saves a few bucks) - and rest assured your second home WILL be the service center.

and since you fish....check out the ghetto pond down the road by the runways. I have seen people (well...locals) "noodling" there, amongst the diapers.

 

[matchthehatch]

boss bought a G200?...my condolences (kidding..)

Is Love Field still the service center? I suggest the Embassy Suites for weekly/monthly rates (saves a few bucks)

and since you fish....check out the ghetto pond down the road by the runways. I have seen people (well...locals) "noodling" there, amongst the diapers.

Yes, still the service center. Got to see a couple of green airplanes the other day. Embassy Suites - the whole class (almost) is all here. Still have an hour plus until happy hour is over. What the heck am I doing here? Gotta go drink some free beer. Study Schmudy.

 

[2000flyer]

not sure...rumor is DA is going winglets!

Just talked to them today at NBAA in BCT. 6000 miles is now the range. No firm commitment on use of winglets yet.

Gulfstream had a good showing at La Bella Macchina in PBI tonight. Long lines for both the 450 and 550. Dassault had long lines for the 2000EX EASy as well. Not suprisingly, for a while the longest lines were at the Eclipse! By far the best of show was the 77 Ferrari's on display!!!

Wow, fast women and expensive cars...err...expensive women and fast cars...what a night! My personal favorite of the evening was the 612 Scaglietti, front mount V-12, 540HP on a 4000 pound body. All for a svelt $259,000!

Oh to dream the dreams of riches.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Gulfstream had a good showing at La Bella Macchina in PBI tonight. Long lines for both the 450 and 550.

The star of the show in KPBI was the P-51D "Miss Stephanie" man!

Gulfstream did well at KBCT also.

The 450 was my favorite. Finally got to see one with the avionics powered up. It was awesome to see. The integration of the EVS into the HUD is the coolest thing I have ever seen in my life.

Is the Easy Cockpit the same thing as the Planeview? I didn't get to see the 2000EX unfortunately.

On a side note it appears Embraer is sold out through October 2007 at 3 planes a month. Not too bad... Not G-Whiz or DA numbers but respectable.

But that 450 was just WOW.

Wow.

 

[2000flyer]

The star of the show in KPBI was the P-51D "Miss Stephanie" man!

Gulfstream did well at KBCT also.

The 450 was my favorite. Finally got to see one with the avionics powered up. It was awesome to see. The integration of the EVS into the HUD is the coolest thing I have ever seen in my life.

Is the Easy Cockpit the same thing as the Planeview? I didn't get to see the 2000EX unfortunately.

On a side note it appears Embraer is sold out through October 2007 at 3 planes a month. Not too bad... Not G-Whiz or DA numbers but respectable.

But that 450 was just WOW.

Wow.

Yes, the P51 was great, though I've seen nicer looking models. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't turn it down!

Shame on you for not looking at the 2000EX EASy!!!:smash: The EASy avionics and Planeview are based on the Honeywell EPIC architecture. Both companies tweaked it and made it their own. EASy does things Planeview won't and vise versa.

The Legacy in the corner of the hangar seemed to be getting good interest too. Had I known you were there I would have looked you up.

 

[2EASYPilot]

Shame on you for not looking at the 2000EX EASy!!!:smash: The EASy avionics and Planeview are based on the Honeywell EPIC architecture. Both companies tweaked it and made it their own. EASy does things Planeview won't and vise versa.


Just curious what the PlaneView does that the EASY does not. I do understand on the Planeview you do not have to use the CCD for all functions but was not aware of any other major differences...thanks.

 

[Spooky 1]

AND a 727, a 767, and of course a HS125

http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?&airlinesearch=Kingdom%20Holding%20Company&nr_of_rows=57&first_this_page=0&page_limit=58&sort_order=photo_id+DESC&nr_pages=1&page=;;

Donald Trump was right about these guys...........

Makes me feel so insignificant and unworthy in my little Boeing.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Darn 2000 I am sorry we mised each other. I am here for two days for routine mx (KPBI) so PM me if you are still in town.

Ran into a couple others from flightinfo. It is nice to meet such cool people. They both said FalconCapt was a "twit" so we had some common ground right off the bat! (Just kidding FC! They are friends of yours.)

Epic OKAY. Now it is all coming into context. The 170 has EPIC also, though I am sure it is nothing like that 450.

Yeah the Legacy at KPBI was s/n 903. Another pilot and I did a demo with 730 for the folks who bought 903. Glad to see we didn't chase off a customer!


Look me up if you are still here 2000.

 

[2000flyer]

Darn 2000 I am sorry we mised each other. I am here for two days for routine mx (KPBI) so PM me if you are still in town.

Ran into a couple others from flightinfo. It is nice to meet such cool people. They both said FalconCapt was a "twit" so we had some common ground right off the bat! (Just kidding FC! They are friends of yours.)

Epic OKAY. Now it is all coming into context. The 170 has EPIC also, though I am sure it is nothing like that 450.

Yeah the Legacy at KPBI was s/n 903. Another pilot and I did a demo with 730 for the folks who bought 903. Glad to see we didn't chase off a customer!


Look me up if you are still here 2000.

Unfortunately I've left the warm climate for 32 degrees and a 25 knot wind. Maybe next time.

 

[2000flyer]

Shame on you for not looking at the 2000EX EASy!!!:smash: The EASy avionics and Planeview are based on the Honeywell EPIC architecture. Both companies tweaked it and made it their own. EASy does things Planeview won't and vise versa.


Just curious what the PlaneView does that the EASY does not. I do understand on the Planeview you do not have to use the CCD for all functions but was not aware of any other major differences...thanks.

I don't have the list in front of me (on the road) but there are a few difference. Minor, granted, but different. Some is in presentation as well. As you know EASy flies path where I believe the Gulfstream still uses pitch. In the end we all get to where we're going

LD...the Epic in the 170 and Citation Sovereign is the same base architecture, but I know the Citation doesn't have an INAV like the DA and G aircraft. I don't believe the 170 does either though having never seen the inside, I won't bet...yet