Big cabin airplane impressions

[Gulfstream 200]

Where the heck is the fourth gen on a Glex? Oh....thats what the pedals on the FO's side are for!

SIX gens....SIX...and it needs all of them. You know...so 3 or 4 can break and you can still get around!


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like I said, Im up for that A340 deal...who needs a hotel...APU PARTY!

 

[Mercury]

We have also been developing a fleet replacement plan and the 2000EX is leading the pack so far. The CL604/605 was condsidered but has taken a back burner due to the decline in product support over the past couple of years. as mentioned earlier, the DA is great for the CONUS, 1900# diff. between max to and max ldg. means lots of home fuel. (I think its 1900# 2000flyer can check me on that). Ran the projected budget for a G350 and couldnt justify it with the higher fuel burns.(still a great aircraft just not right for us im afraid). Id like to hear more about the dispatch reliability on the DA if anyone wants to volunteer . Also do you have to reduce the size of the galley to accomodate ten seats? I think that was mentioned in a previous post. Great discussion so far thanks for all the info!!!

 

[G100driver]

With all that said about warrany ect, we have had very little need to wish that we had an extended labor warranty. We have our own DOM and take advantage of OCIP (progressive mx). Whenever we have a labor warrany issue we can R&R the LRU in less than 1 hour. Including shipping we spent about $4,000 last year in varible MX costs. Quite frankly the airplane does not break very often. We have a Collins (non-EASy) 2000EX.

 

[G100driver]

Also do you have to reduce the size of the galley to accomodate ten seats? I think that was mentioned in a previous post. Great discussion so far thanks for all the info!!!

No. If you have 8 seats the back 4 are the same size as the forward club. If you have 10 seats the aft club seats are smaller to accomidate 6 instead of 4.

We have the latter set up and it works fine. We rarly have more than 6 pax, however.

We have cancled 1 flight in 2 years of operating our 2000EX (non_EASy).

 

[Gulfstream 200]

I agree with G100, seems we go thousands of hours on Falcons without losing a trip.

I dont like how they fly, dont like how they perform, and dont like how they look....but they dont break.

and thats what matters.

 

[Mercury]

I agree with G100, seems we go thousands of hours on Falcons without losing a trip.

I dont like how they fly, dont like how they perform, and dont like how they look....but they dont break.

and thats what matters.

LOL Now that funny I dont care who ya are

Thanks for the replies!

 

[fokkerjet]

That's not the only issue Legacy....firstly, to get max range on it, you gotta fly it at LRC, which is slow. Same issue with the CL. Not an issue with the G or the DA.

You don't need to fly Gulfstreams and Falcons at LRC to get max range?

 

[HMR]

You're all forgetting something...

Legacy captains will gladly work for $50K per year. Think of the money you'd save!

 

[Gulfstream 200]

You don't need to fly Gulfstreams and Falcons at LRC to get max range?

I "think" he meant to go from NY-Middle Europe the Legacy needed to go LRC...not a LRC trip in the G or DA...

 

[G100driver]

I dont like like how they look....but they dont break.

and thats what matters.

How's that cane doing for you? Is it long enough as so you can feel the runway so you know when to flare?

Hey, to each is own. I perfer hot looking blonds, but I see thousands of fat chicks that are pregenant each day.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Legacy captains will gladly work for $50K per year. Think of the money you'd save!

be nice HMR. you just dont understand the Legacy, heck, bet you never flew one...

 

[Gulfstream 200]

How's that cain doing for you? Is it long enough as so you can feel the runway so you know when to flare?

Hey, to each is own. I perfer hot looking blones, but I see thousands of fat chicks that are pregenant each day.

haha, good one G100!......now you enjoy the ride at 280 with the ice on, really, it will get better in an hour or so when that slug gets lighter..

As for planes -- yes, bigger and more power is always better......

those that disagree, well they usually fly Falcons.

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[G100driver]

haha, good one G100!......now you enjoy the ride at 280 with the ice on!, really, it will get better in an hour or so when that slug gets lighter..

As for planes -- yes, bigger and more power is always better......

those that disagree, usually fly Falcons.




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Just fine in the 2000EX thank you! I know not a G-V or Galaxy, but hey we are in the PacNw. We never get any ice

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Just fine in the 2000EX thank you! I know not a G-V or Galaxy, but hey we are in the PacNw. We never get any ice

yeah I heard never any ice out there...yikes!!

actually, I do hear the 2000 does much better than the Garrett Infested Falcoons.

 

[G100driver]

The EX with the P&W climbs right through it. It has NEVER been an issue. Our climb will slow to 1000/fpm at FL280 with wings and engines on at MTOW, but that is about it.

 

[LegacyDriver]

no those speed differences make a NY-London run about 15-30 mins difference....but when the boss comes up front and asks how fast we are going and you say ".76"...he equates that to about 500mph difference as compared to .82 or .85.

Yes, they know the facts, but comparing their valuable time to aircraft shortcomings or fuel savings is a recipe for disaster IMHO.

Run it as fast as possible unless needing to Long Range to avoid a fuel stop.

next time your boss asks you why you are going slow say "eh, whats the difference boss, its just another 15-30 minutes".

I never quote Mach Numbers unless he asks. I always say, "550 knots over the ground," or whatever.

My boss used to own a Falcon 2000 and he really liked the airplane. It is very efficient. But for his needs it didn't have a large enough baggage compartment and he never complains about the switch to this bird.

What about the Falcon 900 series?

 

[LegacyDriver]

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stop thinking like a regional airplane pilot man!

airframe cycles??!! what do you do - run that hunk of crap between Newark and Cleveland 37X a day?

Since much of our maintenance is based upon cycles I think in terms of cycles.

 

[LegacyDriver]

ya know what, forget it, Im going to pitch those new Legacys to the boss because you know -- I never flew one (Im ignorant)....I CAN, however, say I have flown ON a few with Continental Express (and other fine outfits)....that was really impressive. The quiet cabin, the roomy interior....the quality and value I felt...

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It would be a major step up from that poor G200 you drive my man.

And it *IS* quiet. We got all the aerodynamic and noise reduction improvements the RJ doesn't.

90% of the time I don't even wear a headset.

As for roomy, good grief. I have been in lots of G-IVs and they are VIRTUALLY identical. Yes the G-IV is wider and taller but I couldn't tell the difference without a tape measure.

And I banged my head on the doorway of the G. I don't do that on the Legacy.

 

[LegacyDriver]

To do NY - mainland EU in the Legacy would require .74 mach which is 430 kts.

One city pair we are looking at is 3100nm.

Legacy = 7.2 hrs

At .82+ in the G and DA the same city pair is covered in 6.4

Putting aside the fact that that leg would be nearly at the range limit in the L (depending upon WX), it's not so much the 1 hr time savings, but one less additional hr of operational costs.

That adds up over time, and looking at the long term, the G has the edge on a cost per hour basis.

Actually, the Embraer cost per mile is far lower than the G so it doesn't matter in terms of time. Don't look at costs per HOUR look at costs per MILE. The Legacy still is cheaper per hour any way, but cost per mile accounts for additional flight time.

That being said... You can go over at .76M. The speed is somewhat dependent upon winds and payload. You can go faster and still avoid a wetfootprint.

 

[Gulfstream 200]

It would be a major step up from that poor G200 you drive my man.

And it *IS* quiet. We got all the aerodynamic and noise reduction improvements the RJ doesn't.

90% of the time I don't even wear a headset.

As for roomy, good grief. I have been in lots of G-IVs and they are VIRTUALLY identical. Yes the G-IV is wider and taller but I couldn't tell the difference without a tape measure.

And I banged my head on the doorway of the G. I don't do that on the Legacy.

alright.

I take back everything I said in the past....

you are WAY overpaid at 53K.




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