BEWARE G-III job based PIE

[Stranger]

Fair warning...G-III job offered by W...... Aviation in PIE. Take it from me.....RUN FOREST RUN!!!

 

[se1776]

whats the story??? I have an interview scheule next week.

 

[ditch]

Guess there is no story.

 

[Pattern-Master]

The story is unless you work for a descent major airline, good fortune 500 flight department, or one of the top fractional companies out there(i.e, xojet or netjets),it probably will turn out to be a sh!TTY flying job.

 

[gret]

Trashing a former employer is bad business without providing details. It usually is an indication that the employee/employer relationship just didn't work out and both parties are at fault. Bad form and in most cases, there are remaining employees who enjoy their positions...

Why would you want to jump all over a company that you will list on your resume? It's like dumping on a reference. If they were that bad, why were you working there in the first place?

 

[gern_blanston]

...unless you work for a descent major airline, good fortune 500 flight department, or one of the top fractional companies out there(i.e, xojet or netjets),it probably will turn out to be a sh!TTY flying job.

Dumbest post I've read in a long time. Most of the really great jobs in aviation are jobs that no one's heard of.
A lot of us are very happy flying under the radar at little privately-held outfits with outstanding QOL, benefits, and pay.
And it's "decent", Descent is what you begin at T.O.D.

 

[gern_blanston]

...Why would you want to jump all over a company that you will list on your resume? It's like dumping on a reference. If they were that bad, why were you working there in the first place?

Excellent post.

 

[Pattern-Master]

Dumbest post I've read in a long time. Most of the really great jobs in aviation are jobs that no one's heard of.
A lot of us are very happy flying under the radar at little privately-held outfits with outstanding QOL, benefits, and pay.
And it's "decent", Descent is what you begin at T.O.D.

Ok,maybe about 20 percent of jobs outside of those listed above are good. But let's face it, most part 135 and part 91 flying is pure cr@p, you know It and I know. The scumbag operators outweigh the good operators by a long shot. I have just witnessed to many good people get burned by these kind of shady operators.

 

[TMMT]

dumbest post i've read in a long time. Most of the really great jobs in aviation are jobs that no one's heard of.
A lot of us are very happy flying under the radar at little privately-held outfits with outstanding qol, benefits, and pay.
And it's "decent", descent is what you begin at t.o.d.

I agree, we have a great company, we fly nice equipment, schedule is flexible, but at times every few months can get tedious... pay is well above average and were all on a first name basis with the boss.

When we need to go the extra mile a pull a 14 day trip for the boss because of the way his business is pushing him. We go, because we all know he returns the favor for our dedication and he pays us well.

I've been on more awesome, all expenses paid fishing and hunting trips with my boss as a "bonus", for being there when he needed us to accommodate a wicked demanding schedule for him, than I can count.

 

[gern_blanston]

But let's face it, most part 135 ... flying is pure cr@p, you know It and I know. The scumbag operators outweigh the good operators by a long shot...

Dunno if that's correct or not. I've only flown for three '135 operators in my career, and 2 of them were awesome, and one not too bad, so that's 33% not-too-bad in my tiny life.

But let's face it, most ...part 91 flying is pure cr@p, you know It and I know. The scumbag operators outweigh the good operators by a long shot...

Incorrect.

 

[X-rated]

The story is unless you work for a descent major airline, good fortune 500 flight department, or one of the top fractional companies out there(i.e, xojet or netjets),it probably will turn out to be a sh!TTY flying job.

Ok,maybe about 20 percent of jobs outside of those listed above are good. But let's face it, most part 135 and part 91 flying is pure cr@p, you know It and I know. The scumbag operators outweigh the good operators by a long shot. I have just witnessed to many good people get burned by these kind of shady operators.

Two of the most ignorant and misinformed posts I've read in a long, long time. Flying for a smaller corporation or the right private individual is by far the top of this industry. Just because you don't know how to find these cherry jobs, doesn't mean they're not out there. Here's a clue. You'll never read about them on a public jobs website...

 

[VGerect]

Two of the most ignorant and misinformed posts I've read in a long, long time. Flying for a smaller corporation or the right private individual is by far the top of this industry. Just because you don't know how to find these cherry jobs, doesn't mean they're not out there. Here's a clue. You'll never read about them on a public jobs website...

Or Pattern-Master could be in South Florida.

 

[Stranger]

Aircraft flown part 91. Has never been airworthy in over 5 years. Will not spend money on mx.

They will tell you they are looking at a G-IV. It will never happen. Been saying that for 2 years now. Don't take the bait.

Just trying to save someone the misery of dealing with this Mickey Mouse operation.

Typical FI responses. Always got to be the doubters. Go ahead apply and take the job. Then P.M. me in about 6 months after you see what you got yourself in to.

 

[gern_blanston]

Nobody's saying that the job isn't crap, Stranger;
just saying that patternmaster doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[ultrarunner]

Aircraft flown part 91. Has never been airworthy in over 5 years. Will not spend money on mx.

They will tell you they are looking at a G-IV.

Fifty of 'em on the market! Pretty easy to "find one"

;-)

 

[GLEXPilot]

Ok,maybe about 20 percent of jobs outside of those listed above are good. But let's face it, most part 135 and part 91 flying is pure cr@p, you know It and I know. The scumbag operators outweigh the good operators by a long shot. I have just witnessed to many good people get burned by these kind of shady operators.

Wow, you could not be more wrong.

 

[skyismyoffice]

Has never been airworthy in over 5 years.

...and you flew it anyway??

 

[gret]

The thread starter may be right, but the execution is a little off. Not everyone on FI is a “doubter”, we were left to our devices to figure out what the problem was and had to make our own assumptions.

Trashing a former employer never makes sense. If it was bad, you go about your business and find something new…it just wasn’t a good fit.

Most times there are two sides to every story and it would appear that this is no exception. If you took your salary and flew a plane that wasn’t airworthy, it doesn’t reflect positively on anybody and the owner may have been conditioned to believe it was acceptable.

Simply don’t know what went on, but most owners don’t want to go down with the ship and are understanding when problems with mtx are explained to them by a professional. If they don't get it, you leave. Reputations of the bad owners are already pretty well known.

 

[AKAAB]

Back in the 80's and 90's the FAA privately referred to the PIE/TPA 135 arena as the "snake pit." The cast of characters and the shenanigans that went on were notorious. From what I've heard, there are still some operators in the area that are carrying on the tradition, so beware. Regardless of where you are looking, you need to do your own research on any 91/135 job offer before you jump in with both feet.

I survived the pit and got out as fast as I could.

 

[gern_blanston]

Regardless of where you are looking, you need to do your own research on any 91/135 job offer before you jump in with both feet.

What he said ^^

 

[G100driver]

Ok,maybe about 20 percent of jobs outside of those listed above are good. But let's face it, most part 135 and part 91 flying is pure cr@p, you know It and I know. The scumbag operators outweigh the good operators by a long shot. I have just witnessed to many good people get burned by these kind of shady operators.

Spoken by the guy who has flown WSCofD, beechjets and KingAirs ... an expert in part 91 operations no doubt.

 

[landlover]

Spoken by the guy who has flown WSCofD, beechjets and KingAirs ... an expert in part 91 operations no doubt.

pattern master may have exaggerated a bit but I think it's fair to say the really good 135(not sure even one exist) & 91 jobs are far and few between.

 

[gern_blanston]

...I think it's fair to say the really good 135(not sure even one exist) & 91 jobs are far and few between.

I disagree. See my earlier post. You just have to pick and choose a little and have some patience. An awful lot of guys raise when they should stay.

 

[landlover]

I disagree. See my earlier post. You just have to pick and choose a little and have some patience. An awful lot of guys raise when they should stay.

if you disagree with what i wrote, how could it hurt to raise at all? I know it's splitting hairs but if the odds were in the favor of most 135&91 jobs being "really good" jobs why would one need to be patient and wait for one?

 

[G100driver]

In the past 2 months I interviewed for 3 jobs. One of which was 135/91 ... the others were pure 91. All jobs paid mid 100's with better than average benefits. If you ain't finding good jobs out there then you are not looking in the right places.

 

[gern_blanston]

if you disagree with what i wrote, how could it hurt to raise at all? I know it's splitting hairs but if the odds were in the favor of most 135&91 jobs being "really good" jobs why would one need to be patient and wait for one?

Dude. They're not ALL good. You don't bet everything you've got on every hand.
If G100driver can get a good job, and I can get a good job, it can't be that hard to get a good job. (Sorry, G-man. No offense )

 

[Pattern-Master]

Ok guys, my original response to this post is what I have personally witnessed in my last ten years flying for various part 91/135 companies and 1 regional airline. As of right now I am working for a good part 135 carrier with good pay and actual hard days off every month. I may have come off a little bitter due to the fact that I have had the misfortune of working for some scumbag operators probably like many other pilots on this board. If you are lucky enough to never had to work for a bad company which treats there pilots like sh!t good for you. And bad operators do outweigh the good operators, this is my personal opinion from my past experiences,sorry if you disagree.

 

[LegacyDriver]

the story is unless you work for a descent major airline, good fortune 500 flight department, or one of the top fractional companies out there(i.e, xojet or netjets),it probably will turn out to be a sh!tty flying job.

lol!!!

 

[LegacyDriver]

Ok guys, my original response to this post is what I have personally witnessed in my last ten years flying for various part 91/135 companies and 1 regional airline. As of right now I am working for a good part 135 carrier with good pay and actual hard days off every month. I may have come off a little bitter due to the fact that I have had the misfortune of working for some scumbag operators probably like many other pilots on this board. If you are lucky enough to never had to work for a bad company which treats there pilots like sh!t good for you. And bad operators do outweigh the good operators, this is my personal opinion from my past experiences,sorry if you disagree.

Well, I thought it was funny, not bitter. A little humor on these boards now and then is a good thing.

This is a tough market right now. If someone has trouble finding a good job these days why would anyone be surprised?

 

[jrbevis]

In my short corporate carrier (6 years) Ive noticed good jobs go to good people. There will always be an exception to that. But the exception usually doesn't last long. In the last year Ive had friends get good jobs and others stay at bad jobs. There is a reason some of them stay at bad jobs.