BEWARE G-III job based PIE

[G100driver]

Ok,maybe about 20 percent of jobs outside of those listed above are good. But let's face it, most part 135 and part 91 flying is pure cr@p, you know It and I know. The scumbag operators outweigh the good operators by a long shot. I have just witnessed to many good people get burned by these kind of shady operators.

Spoken by the guy who has flown WSCofD, beechjets and KingAirs ... an expert in part 91 operations no doubt.

 

[landlover]

Spoken by the guy who has flown WSCofD, beechjets and KingAirs ... an expert in part 91 operations no doubt.

pattern master may have exaggerated a bit but I think it's fair to say the really good 135(not sure even one exist) & 91 jobs are far and few between.

 

[gern_blanston]

...I think it's fair to say the really good 135(not sure even one exist) & 91 jobs are far and few between.

I disagree. See my earlier post. You just have to pick and choose a little and have some patience. An awful lot of guys raise when they should stay.

 

[landlover]

I disagree. See my earlier post. You just have to pick and choose a little and have some patience. An awful lot of guys raise when they should stay.

if you disagree with what i wrote, how could it hurt to raise at all? I know it's splitting hairs but if the odds were in the favor of most 135&91 jobs being "really good" jobs why would one need to be patient and wait for one?

 

[G100driver]

In the past 2 months I interviewed for 3 jobs. One of which was 135/91 ... the others were pure 91. All jobs paid mid 100's with better than average benefits. If you ain't finding good jobs out there then you are not looking in the right places.

 

[gern_blanston]

if you disagree with what i wrote, how could it hurt to raise at all? I know it's splitting hairs but if the odds were in the favor of most 135&91 jobs being "really good" jobs why would one need to be patient and wait for one?

Dude. They're not ALL good. You don't bet everything you've got on every hand.
If G100driver can get a good job, and I can get a good job, it can't be that hard to get a good job. (Sorry, G-man. No offense )

 

[Pattern-Master]

Ok guys, my original response to this post is what I have personally witnessed in my last ten years flying for various part 91/135 companies and 1 regional airline. As of right now I am working for a good part 135 carrier with good pay and actual hard days off every month. I may have come off a little bitter due to the fact that I have had the misfortune of working for some scumbag operators probably like many other pilots on this board. If you are lucky enough to never had to work for a bad company which treats there pilots like sh!t good for you. And bad operators do outweigh the good operators, this is my personal opinion from my past experiences,sorry if you disagree.

 

[LegacyDriver]

the story is unless you work for a descent major airline, good fortune 500 flight department, or one of the top fractional companies out there(i.e, xojet or netjets),it probably will turn out to be a sh!tty flying job.

lol!!!

 

[LegacyDriver]

Ok guys, my original response to this post is what I have personally witnessed in my last ten years flying for various part 91/135 companies and 1 regional airline. As of right now I am working for a good part 135 carrier with good pay and actual hard days off every month. I may have come off a little bitter due to the fact that I have had the misfortune of working for some scumbag operators probably like many other pilots on this board. If you are lucky enough to never had to work for a bad company which treats there pilots like sh!t good for you. And bad operators do outweigh the good operators, this is my personal opinion from my past experiences,sorry if you disagree.

Well, I thought it was funny, not bitter. A little humor on these boards now and then is a good thing.

This is a tough market right now. If someone has trouble finding a good job these days why would anyone be surprised?

 

[jrbevis]

In my short corporate carrier (6 years) Ive noticed good jobs go to good people. There will always be an exception to that. But the exception usually doesn't last long. In the last year Ive had friends get good jobs and others stay at bad jobs. There is a reason some of them stay at bad jobs.

 

[LegacyDriver]

In my short corporate carrier (6 years) Ive noticed good jobs go to good people. There will always be an exception to that. But the exception usually doesn't last long. In the last year Ive had friends get good jobs and others stay at bad jobs. There is a reason some of them stay at bad jobs.

Not true. Often it is the reverse. Some of the best guys I know can't break into anything good right now.

I think it quite arrogant to believe one's success is entirely due to themself. Being good at your job, working hard, etc. all improve your chances. But timing, networking, and just old fashioned luck play a huge role in landing a good gig, or any gig for that matter. This is particularly true today where your employer, if so inclined, can replace you tomorrow with ten guys who will do your job for less.

 

[jrbevis]

Not true. Often it is the reverse. Some of the best guys I know can't break into anything good right now.

I think it quite arrogant to believe one's success is entirely due to themself. Being good at your job, working hard, etc. all improve your chances. But timing, networking, and just old fashioned luck play a huge role in landing a good gig, or any gig for that matter. This is particularly true today where your employer, if so inclined, can replace you tomorrow with ten guys who will do your job for less.

Unfortunatly you misinterpreted my post.

Since I couldn't agree more with your post I would have to say were on the same page. I would be a fool to say that I got to where I am all by myself. It was a combination off all the factors you listed and more.

 

[LegacyDriver]

Unfortunatly you misinterpreted my post.

Since I couldn't agree more with your post I would have to say were on the same page. I would be a fool to say that I got to where I am all by myself. It was a combination off all the factors you listed and more.

Same here.

Sorry for misreading.

 

[Fly91]

Dumbest post I've read in a long time. Most of the really great jobs in aviation are jobs that no one's heard of.
A lot of us are very happy flying under the radar at little privately-held outfits with outstanding QOL, benefits, and pay.
And it's "decent", Descent is what you begin at T.O.D.

AMEN..........

One for the record:

My college friend flys a G450 for a friggin church..........Makes $230,000/yr. 3 pilot operation. LOL Steal enough money from poor people, they pay well.

 

[jonjuan]

AMEN..........

One for the record:

My college friend flys a G450 for a friggin church..........Makes $230,000/yr. 3 pilot operation. LOL Steal enough money from poor people, they pay well.

until they don't-and then what????

 

[G100driver]

Then what .... Go out and get another gig. Might not pay 230, but should not have any difficulty finding a G450/500/550 or V job paying north of 150k.

 

[Fly91]

until they don't-and then what????

You're right...any job can end at any time. But we left college together in 1994, both went home to our respective home towns and built about 500 hours as instructors. He got a job in the right seat of that churches GIII back in 1996.....he's been there ever since. GIII, then GIV, now a G450.

Most likely he'll retire from there with millions of $$ in the bank.............funny thing is, that job has already provided him the money over the past 15 years to play the stock market and make a killing and buy over $200,000 in gold back in 2006 when it was like $600/ounce. He's already set for life.......

Some pilots just get lucky as all hell.......

 

[Shag McNasty]

......funny thing is, that job has already provided him the money over the past 15 years to play the stock market and make a killing

I'm sure he lost it all in 2008 cuz pilots are stupid.