Best piece of flying in modern day was this.

[luckytohaveajob]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_232#Factors_contributing_to_survival

Lucky...you sound like you are "Arm Chair Quarterbacking" this incredible piece of flying. If you read this link about their expected outcome, they were amazed (the NTSB) of Sioux City outcome, you might want to change your tone. The crew did no such thing as "relax" at the bottom of the approach. Why don't you read what the Check Airman (who was operating the throttles) said about the "bottom" of the approach. YGTBSM with your comments!

My entire tone of comments is that we should all be trained in these types of maneuvers in initial and recurrent.

We should all be equipped with the autothrottle software modifications needed to control the airplane with the mode control panel in a TOC manner.

 

[luckytohaveajob]

Tomct, do you work for Boeing? Why would a company to produce a safer product knowing it can so easily be done?

Boeing is not ethically correct in much of what it does. B737 rudder mods for example!

 

[luckytohaveajob]

And another thing Tomct. Since when is Wikepedia an authoritative source. Wikepedia is not more truthful than FI.com

I have been briefed by NASA on this subject. I think NASA is a far more creditable story than Wikepedia. And according to NASA, the power was reduced on the bottom starting the inherit roll associated with the initial failure.

So if you want to go and take Wikepedia word for it go right ahead and by the way I have a bridge to sell in Arizona sucker.

 

[Hugh Johnson]

Although I love Wikipedia, you have to take it with a grain of salt. I could go on there and say a green monster tore up a wing panel causing the airplane to roll.

 

[Tomct]

And another thing Tomct. Since when is Wikepedia an authoritative source. Wikepedia is not more truthful than FI.com

I have been briefed by NASA on this subject. I think NASA is a far more creditable story than Wikepedia. And according to NASA, the power was reduced on the bottom starting the inherit roll associated with the initial failure.

So if you want to go and take Wikepedia word for it go right ahead and by the way I have a bridge to sell in Arizona sucker.

Actually the first post I made was with reference to the ACTUAL STATEMENT of the Check Airman. But hey...if you work for Boeing....I'm SURE you know exactly what happened! By the way, did Boeing make the DC10? NO...didn't think so.
Plus within the information from Wikepedia, the report was from the NTSB. Ever hear of them? Maybe you should read the articles a bit more carefully.
I agree with you about the training part, would be good to know...hence the reason that I put in the link for the AA flight. Without his practice approach in the sim prior to the actual even, probably would not have turned out so good. Who know's!

 

[puck_11]

I had the privilege of hearing Al Haynes speak at my school. His story was incredible. Anyways, I remember him saying that during the investigation they had dozens of crews try to land the simulator in the same situation, and all of them crashed, none of them even coming close to actually landing the aircraft.

 

[mannyaplus11]

NASA just finished (within the last year) a test using a B757 on TOC. They are developing procedures and a checklist to give to the airlines in case of a TOC situation. The aircraft in question was flown down to 50 feet and then a go around was initiated.
More info to follow.

 

[75M]

I was part of the study at Moffet in '96. Cool system. Worked great. I believe the term was PCA for Propulsion Controlled Aircraft.

 

[Tomct]

I had the privilege of hearing Al Haynes speak at my school. His story was incredible. Anyways, I remember him saying that during the investigation they had dozens of crews try to land the simulator in the same situation, and all of them crashed, none of them even coming close to actually landing the aircraft.

I remember reading "somewhere" can't remember, that they were now having DC10 crews try to land the aircraft with the same setup and like you said...they did not even get CLOSE! Very Tough situation.

 

[Shrek]

The elderly did try this kind of wizardry. But the results were drastically different in Sioux City, Iowa. That DC 10 failed to understand power was required throughout the flair and they lost it on the bottom.

The Sioux City, Iowa DC10 pulled the power on the bottom starting the left bank associated with the orginial malfunction causing the aircraft to roll left and uncontrolled upon landing.

The Sioux City crew did a remarkable job up until that point and just relaxed and reverted to the normal way to land an aircraft. They did not know because they were not training in any way for the events they faced that day.

The training does exist and should be required in every Boeing sim course with academics included.

But airline would prefer to just put out another 100 page training bulletin telling you not to do something like they did after the AMR A300 JFK accident. Don't push the rudder below Va enough the aircraft was supposedly certified that way. The guaidance concerning TOC will be don't crash.

Like you could have done better !!!!!

You are a complete tool.

 

[Sedona16]

I'd say these guys rank pretty high as well:

http://www.wadenelson.com/gimli.html

 

[A350]

All:

Al Haynes is the Chuck Norris of the Airline Pilot world....He is and should be revered and his name should be uttered in a whispered tone worthy of the result. There are over 100 people who walk and breathe because of his abilities.

A350

 

[30West]

We tried it in the sim during initial training. Wasn't pretty!
Nothing beats experience.

 

[airplane wizard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Yf6_MVTck

 

[thepotato232]

...No love for Denny Fitch, guys? Or Records and Dvorak, for that matter? Al may be the undisputed badass of the airline world, but this was CRM at its finest - credit where credit is due.

And luckytohaveajob is luckyhenevermeta232survivorinadarkalleywithahatchet. "Relaxed"... feh.