BA 777 "lands short" at Heathrow

[ATR-DRIVR]

Yup, I guess the Times is actually the AAIB in drag....
Spooky2 is right, send em home..."they don't need no stinkin investigation!!"

 

[embpic1]

Here is the new runway at LHR specially made for BA pilots....

With the info available it doesn't appear to be pilot error. That being said, that was damn funny..:laugh:

 

[embpic1]

I heard an interesting story about what might have caused this accident.

Supposedly, the prime minister's motorcade was on its way to the airport. Apparently they use some kind of jamming equipment. The story goes that the plane passed over the motorcade when it was on short final.

I know this story sounds far fetched but I thought I would relay it.

 

[Guitar rocker]

Here is the new runway at LHR specially made for BA pilots....

That was pretty funny.

 

[siucavflight]

Here is more pictures of the hero Captain
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2001_hero_pilot_romp.shtml

 

[Wankel7]

Here is more pictures of the hero Captain
http://www.newsoftheworld.co.uk/2001_hero_pilot_romp.shtml

Now that is a layover!

Those BA guys know how to get down

 

[siucavflight]

Yes, I would like that job, minus the llicorice in the pooper.

 

[bubbers44]

AAIB BA38 B777 Initial Report Update 23 January 2008
Accident to a Boeing 777-236, G-YMMM, on 17 January 2008 at 1243 hrs
Initial Report Update 23 January 2008

Since the issue of the Air Accidents Investigation Branch (AAIB) 1st Preliminary Report on Friday 18 January 2008 at 1700 hrs, work has continued on all fronts to identify why neither engine responded to throttle lever inputs during the final approach. The 150 tonne aircraft was moved from the threshold of Runway 27L to an airport apron on Sunday evening, allowing the airport to return to normal operations.

The AAIB, sensitive to the needs of the industry including Boeing, Rolls Royce, British Airways and other Boeing 777 operators and crews, is issuing this update to provide such further factual information as is now available.

As previously reported, whilst the aircraft was stabilised on an ILS approach with the autopilot engaged, the autothrust system commanded an increase in thrust from both engines. The engines both initially responded but after about 3 seconds the thrust of the right engine reduced. Some eight seconds later the thrust reduced on the left engine to a similar level. The engines did not shut down and both engines continued to produce thrust at an engine speed above flight idle, but less than the commanded thrust.

Recorded data indicates that an adequate fuel quantity was on board the aircraft and that the autothrottle and engine control commands were performing as expected prior to, and after, the reduction in thrust.

All possible scenarios that could explain the thrust reduction and continued lack of response of the engines to throttle lever inputs are being examined, in close cooperation with Boeing, Rolls Royce and British Airways. This work includes a detailed analysis and examination of the complete fuel flow path from the aircraft tanks to the engine fuel nozzles.

Further factual information will be released as and when available

 

[The Prussian]

The engines both initially responded but after about 3 seconds the thrust of the right engine reduced. Some eight seconds later the thrust reduced on the left engine to a similar level. The engines did not shut down and both engines continued to produce thrust at an engine speed above flight idle, but less than the commanded thrust.

Anybody know what the viscosity of Chinese H2O is, whilst the temperature is at or below 0 degrees Celsius?

 

[bubbers44]

Just trying to get this hijacked thread out of the muck. He had a great layover that night and I envy him but he did a great job of getting that plane down with no fatalities. It looks like no pilot error was involved and he will remain the hero. I still think cold fuel was the cause. Chinese fuel probably doesn't get international monitoring. Maybe the extra cold temps aloft and the load of fuel they got didn't let them spool up properly at 1000 ft and they didn't notice it til 600 ft.

 

[ReverseSensing]

Yes I do, you're powers of deduction are quite astounding.
I did apply to BA once back in the early nineties, they sent me a very nice letter to inform me that they were only hiring from their own school in Prestwick. It all worked out, I much prefer living in the US and enjoy my position at ValuJet, as you like to call us. I assume that was some sort of veiled insult on your behalf, very original I must say, first time I've heard that one.
I am a little choosy who I enjoy a beer with and I'm afraid you would not fit the bill.
Good afternoon madam.

This post is best read while imagining the voice of Stewie Griffin from Family Guy.

 

[igneousy2]

If you did have a single engine power loss on a 777, how much altitude would you need on the approach if the operating engine was unspooled and the airplane was completely dirtied up and on-speed to arrest the resulting sink?

 

[XJohXJ]

This post is best read while imagining the voice of Stewie Griffin from Family Guy.

Thanks for the tip!

 

[XJohXJ]

I heard an interesting story about what might have caused this accident.

Supposedly, the prime minister's motorcade was on its way to the airport. Apparently they use some kind of jamming equipment. The story goes that the plane passed over the motorcade when it was on short final.

I know this story sounds far fetched but I thought I would relay it.

Maybe they ingested chemtrails!

 

[Spooky 2]

If you did have a single engine power loss on a 777, how much altitude would you need on the approach if the operating engine was unspooled and the airplane was completely dirtied up and on-speed to arrest the resulting sink?

Why would the good engine be unspooled in the first place? That's simply not the way you land an airplane like this. When you start extending the flaps the engine go to "approach idle" and inhibit that completely unpsooled power setting. The B777 will land with flaps 30, 1EO without any problem however the normal 1EO config is for flaps to be set at 20 with flaps 5 for GA just like almost all other Boeings built today.

 

[go!ng for broke]

Why would the good engine be unspooled in the first place? That's simply not the way you land an airplane like this. When you start extending the flaps the engine go to "approach idle" and inhibit that completely unpsooled power setting. The B777 will land with flaps 30, 1EO without any problem however the normal 1EO config is for flaps to be set at 20 with flaps 5 for GA just like almost all other Boeings built today.

CHECK

 

[Amish RakeFight]

This post is best read while imagining the voice of Stewie Griffin from Family Guy.

...being a huge Family Guy fan, I can appreciate that comment immensely. :beer:

 

[Britpilot]

January 24, 2008
The British Airways Boeing 777 that crash-landed at Heathrow Airport last week did not suffer a total power failure as it approached the airport, investigators said on Thursday.

The Air Accidents Investigation Branch said the 777's two engines failed to deliver extra thrust as it came into land, but did not cut out completely.

In a second preliminary report, investigators said they were still trying to work out what caused the lack of thrust during the flight's final moments.

"The engines both initially responded but after about three seconds the thrust of the right engine reduced," the report said. "Some eight seconds later the thrust reduced on the left engine to a similar level.

"The engines did not shut down and both engines continued to produce thrust at an engine speed above flight idle, but less than the commanded thrust."

The reason for the lack of thrust is not yet known. The plane, which was flying on autopilot, was carrying enough fuel.

Investigators will now examine the system which takes the fuel from the tanks to the engines.

Eighteen passengers were slightly injured when BA Flight 38 from Beijing landed short of the runway last Thursday.

The plane's undercarriage was ripped off and its wings damaged after it only just cleared the perimeter fence.

(Reuters)

 

[regionaltard]

This post is best read while imagining the voice of Stewie Griffin from Family Guy.

I was thinking Austin Powers...

 

[whymeworry?]

I guess I just don't know enough about flammable liquids.

How can the landing gear pierce the fuel tanks, which reportedly had fuel in them, and not cause a fire?

I don't get it.