AWA/USAir seniority integration??

[typhoonpilot]

Is it fair to the person who chose to come to AWA and make a career as opposed to AAA and now lose huge chunks of their seniority to save another
WD.

Sorry, but this argument holds no water whatsoever. For every USAir guy who went to America West an America West pilot who went to USAir can be found. You are just thinking about recently, which is pretty typical when making selfish arguments. America West had their rough patches over the years and guys bailed during that time, some came to Piedmont or USAir.

The same argument was trying to be made by UAL pilots. There were USAir pilots who were furloughed or had left and went to United in the early 90s, they tended to forget about the UAL pilots who were furloughed or left UAL in the late 70s and early 80s to come to USAir. A judge or arbiter faced with these facts will simply throw the argument out as a wash, as it only affects a very small minority of the pilot population on both sides.

TP

 

[FurloughedAgain]

--OFF TOPIC--

BeCareful,

You said, "You strike me as a similar sort to the infamous Ch!$ Mun#..."

ROFLMAO!!!!

 

[aa73]

Furlough fodder.

You're kidding, right? There are 1800 of us "natives" on the street, dude!

You seem to have difficulty differentiating between the pilots of TWA and AA management. Neither of us had anything to do with the buyout yet AA did give you, the APA, the priviledge of deciding how we were to be integrated.

Well, duh! We were the acquiring carrier! What did you expect? For AA management to give ALPA the decision???

Quiz time: who saddled AMR with more debt in a questionable business decision? AA. Who do most AAers blame for the decision? AA. Who do many AAers take out their anger on? Ex-TWA pilots. Now I know what you're thinking: "why should we AAers suffer when we can make the TWAers suffer instead?" It's a valid thought yet it serves to differentiate between you and I.

You're wrong, my friend. I don't take my anger out on TWA pilots, given the # of friends I have over there. I take my anger out on ALPA for not having fought for you guys, and on AA management on deciding to do this merger from the get-go.

Funny, you're the first master economist who's made a direct connection between long-term debt and furloughs.Well, that's another difference between you and I. You possess amazing prognosticative powers; you know exactly what everyone is or was going to do. I don't.STOP THE PRESSES!! HISTORY IS BEING MADE!!

No, no, no "master economist" here, not by a long shot. Just the facts.

I'm not exaggerating, this is the first time I've read an AAer make this admission. Finally we agree on something. True, ALPA didn't defend us, however, hearing this come from you is like a rapist chastizing his victim for not having stronger locks on her house.[/QUOTE]

With the exception that a rape is a horrendous crime and a seniority integration is... well, a seniority integration. And that is one of the many things your union dues should pay for - proper representation, in the case that your pilot group deems the integration "unfair." Which is what this whole debate is basically about.

Anyways, I think we can both agree to a much "friendlier" merger process between AWA and U. I sincerely hope you don't end up with the short end of the stick, given what you've been through.

Regards,
73

 

[AA717driver]

Let's keep in mind--9/11 put me and AA73 and TWAdude on the street. Absent that act, we would still be working at AA, IMO.

Good luck with THIS merger, dude. I'm pulling for you.TC

 

[TWA Dude]

I am now going into a fetal position and sucking my thumb and crying, "mommy" every five seconds.

 

[Flechas]

Good luck to all of you!!! I hope somehow this works for the best, I hate to see people losing their jobs.

 

[TWA Dude]

It just might be a good thing that I still have recall rights. *sigh*

 

[Swaayze]

be careful BeCareful, this smells like a UCT to me!

 

[B6Busdriver]

Is it fair to the person who chose to come to AWA and make a career as opposed to AAA and now lose huge chunks of their seniority to save another
WD.



When did you make the "choice" to go to AWA Vs US.

Yeah I heard this in 2000 when the UAL boys and girls said they chose to go to United because of the growth, career expectations, blah, blah, blah. You are all along for the ride and you'll have little control in the process. Heck the deal may still fall apart.

 

[aa73]

Let's keep in mind--9/11 put me and AA73 and TWAdude on the street. Absent that act, we would still be working at AA, IMO.

Good luck with THIS merger, dude. I'm pulling for you.TC

Ditto, good luck to you guys.

73

 

[B6Driver]

If I would have been given 25% of my seniority, I would have been happy. Make up any story you wish.
I won't forget.

 

[aa73]

If I would have been given 25% of my seniority, I would have been happy. Make up any story you wish.
I won't forget.

I'll just stick to the facts, like I always have. Both sides are pissed off, therefore it must be fair.

I won't forget either.

 

[racerX]

Sorry, I know you guys want an insult but I don't have any right now.

From Reuters:
"WASHINGTON (Reuters) - America West Holdings Corp. (NYSE:AWA - News) and a group of investors would buy bankrupt US Airways Group Inc (OTC BB:UAIAQ.OB - News) in a bid to compete with low-cost rivals under a merger plan announced on Thursday."

"Buy" is their word not mine.

In any case, good fences make good neighbors. Any US Airways pilot that stays in a US Airways domicile retains their seniority and all their expectations. If they bid for the AWA domiciles, their seniority becomes "Date of Merger" (DOM). If an AWA pilot stays in an AWA domicile, their seniority and expectations remain the same. If they bid to a US Airways domicile, they get DOM seniority. If a new domicile opens we can start the fight again. That way everyone retains the expectations they had before the merger and no one displaces the pilots from the other group. AWA gets their upgrades and AAA gets theirs. AAA Furloughs come back when vacancies are available and they get Date of recall for the purposes of bidding. Keep this arrangement for 7 to 10 yrs. If more furloughs come, the group that shrinks takes the hit.

I for one do NOT want your A330's or your over the pond flying. We get the same pay regardless of plane. I wouldn't be surprised to see mgmt. try to integrate this across the board.