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AWA/U Seniority Food Fight - The First Salvo
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General Lee said:
With USAir it doesn't matter, anyway, since you have to purchase a first class upgrade, even as a non-rev. It's easier just to jumpseat, that way you can get a first class seat if one's available in the cabin.
That's how it was 3 years ago, anyway
LTG
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I have the solution:
I suggested this way back during the UAL/U fiasco and again during the accompaning ACA/PDT-ALG deal and once again in the recient past in ref. to the ALG/PDT merger.
Senority integration via STEEL CAGE MATCH!!!!!!
I this case (U/AWA) we choose a neutral location like Kansas City KMCI and get all the US Air, MidAtlantic and AWA guys and lock them in a giant steel cage. When the bell rings it's every man for himself. First guy knocked out gets the bottom senority number. The next guy after gets one senority number better and so on till only one guy is standing. Last guy standing gets senority number one. Screw ALPA merger policy, this is the only fair way. We could even sell tickets and make back the paycuts weve given in the past 4 years.
Bonus - the guy who knocks out the most people gets to smash Duane Woerth on the face with a brick.
Any takers???
I suggested this way back during the UAL/U fiasco and again during the accompaning ACA/PDT-ALG deal and once again in the recient past in ref. to the ALG/PDT merger.
Senority integration via STEEL CAGE MATCH!!!!!!
I this case (U/AWA) we choose a neutral location like Kansas City KMCI and get all the US Air, MidAtlantic and AWA guys and lock them in a giant steel cage. When the bell rings it's every man for himself. First guy knocked out gets the bottom senority number. The next guy after gets one senority number better and so on till only one guy is standing. Last guy standing gets senority number one. Screw ALPA merger policy, this is the only fair way. We could even sell tickets and make back the paycuts weve given in the past 4 years.
Bonus - the guy who knocks out the most people gets to smash Duane Woerth on the face with a brick.
Any takers???
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USAir MEC Response
Here is what the USAir MEC chairman had to say:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE May 19, 2005
Statement by US Airways ALPA Regarding US Airways-America West Merger Announcement
PITTSBURGH -- US Airways MEC Chairman Captain Bill Pollock of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l (ALPA) today released the following statement:
"US Airways Group, Inc. and America West Holdings Corporation have announced their intention to enter into a merger that would create both the nation's sixth-largest airline and the largest low-cost carrier network.
"The US Airways Master Executive Council (MEC), the pilots' governing body, will be analyzing the terms of this proposed transaction at the earliest opportunity.
"US Airways management believes that this proposed merger will enable US Airways to emerge from bankruptcy and then create a partnership that will be viable and competitive. I want management, our investors, and our flying public to know that the US Airways pilots are largely responsible for the progress that US Airways has made in its restructuring. US Airways enjoys this opportunity today because of the tremendous sacrifices made by our pilots. Our MEC and our pilots have been called upon again and again to make the most difficult decisions in this volatile and still-transforming industry. Our pilots have provided the Company with $7 billion in cost savings through four restructurings-an investment far greater than any other group. We expect that our sacrifices will be respected as we welcome the opportunity to become a partner in the creation of this country's premier low-cost airline.
"We also look forward to working with the pilots of America West as we begin the process of combining pilot groups through the seniority integration procedures outlined in our ALPA Administrative Manual."
CONTACT: Jack Stephan
Air Line Pilots Assoc., Intl.
US Airways Pilots Master Executive Council
(410) 703-2953; (412) 264-5600
www.usairwayspilots.org
I hope we see a civil "well integrated" list. I also like the % integration idea. If you were 9% at AWA, you are still 9% at the combined carrier, same for 22% at USAir; you are at 22% in the joint firm. With the heavy USAir retirements in the next five years, I don't think it will really matter a lot to the majority of AWA guys. ALPA's "realistic career expectations" are pretty easy to establish in this merger. Where would USAir pilots be in 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, 15 etc. Same for AWA pilots. Our $$ balance would have carried us to the end of 07 at least I believe. We retire only 36 pilots this year and I would expect the bottom 80% of AWA guys will enjoy rapid movement at about year three into this deal. I welcome the pilots at USAir and hope they welcome me. I'm encouraged by Captain Pollock's comments above ... we have a shot to put together a real good LCC that has long term staying power. As far as furloughed USAir guys ... I don't know much about LOA 89 (?) but I do think they should have some rights at the new carrier. Maybe a preferential interview or a 2:1 (2 old US Air guys for every one new hire on the street). Since we were going to keep hiring this year and next I'd want us to be fair to guys on the outside looking for Major Airline Work ... MESA RJ guys/gals should not be frozen out for the entire USAir list to be recalled, etc. I am one AWA dude who is excited about the prospect. Call me new, call me naive, call me barely wet behind the ears, but it looks like a good match and a good future to me. I'll do my part. Let's spend our time and efforts convincing the American Public that it is a New USAir and they should give us a try. The last thing we want is four our customers to jump ship ... tell 'em thank you for riding with us every day. Let's go to work to be the best LCC we can be.
Here is what the USAir MEC chairman had to say:
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE May 19, 2005
Statement by US Airways ALPA Regarding US Airways-America West Merger Announcement
PITTSBURGH -- US Airways MEC Chairman Captain Bill Pollock of the Air Line Pilots Association, Int'l (ALPA) today released the following statement:
"US Airways Group, Inc. and America West Holdings Corporation have announced their intention to enter into a merger that would create both the nation's sixth-largest airline and the largest low-cost carrier network.
"The US Airways Master Executive Council (MEC), the pilots' governing body, will be analyzing the terms of this proposed transaction at the earliest opportunity.
"US Airways management believes that this proposed merger will enable US Airways to emerge from bankruptcy and then create a partnership that will be viable and competitive. I want management, our investors, and our flying public to know that the US Airways pilots are largely responsible for the progress that US Airways has made in its restructuring. US Airways enjoys this opportunity today because of the tremendous sacrifices made by our pilots. Our MEC and our pilots have been called upon again and again to make the most difficult decisions in this volatile and still-transforming industry. Our pilots have provided the Company with $7 billion in cost savings through four restructurings-an investment far greater than any other group. We expect that our sacrifices will be respected as we welcome the opportunity to become a partner in the creation of this country's premier low-cost airline.
"We also look forward to working with the pilots of America West as we begin the process of combining pilot groups through the seniority integration procedures outlined in our ALPA Administrative Manual."
CONTACT: Jack Stephan
Air Line Pilots Assoc., Intl.
US Airways Pilots Master Executive Council
(410) 703-2953; (412) 264-5600
www.usairwayspilots.org
I hope we see a civil "well integrated" list. I also like the % integration idea. If you were 9% at AWA, you are still 9% at the combined carrier, same for 22% at USAir; you are at 22% in the joint firm. With the heavy USAir retirements in the next five years, I don't think it will really matter a lot to the majority of AWA guys. ALPA's "realistic career expectations" are pretty easy to establish in this merger. Where would USAir pilots be in 3 months, 6 months, 9 months, 15 etc. Same for AWA pilots. Our $$ balance would have carried us to the end of 07 at least I believe. We retire only 36 pilots this year and I would expect the bottom 80% of AWA guys will enjoy rapid movement at about year three into this deal. I welcome the pilots at USAir and hope they welcome me. I'm encouraged by Captain Pollock's comments above ... we have a shot to put together a real good LCC that has long term staying power. As far as furloughed USAir guys ... I don't know much about LOA 89 (?) but I do think they should have some rights at the new carrier. Maybe a preferential interview or a 2:1 (2 old US Air guys for every one new hire on the street). Since we were going to keep hiring this year and next I'd want us to be fair to guys on the outside looking for Major Airline Work ... MESA RJ guys/gals should not be frozen out for the entire USAir list to be recalled, etc. I am one AWA dude who is excited about the prospect. Call me new, call me naive, call me barely wet behind the ears, but it looks like a good match and a good future to me. I'll do my part. Let's spend our time and efforts convincing the American Public that it is a New USAir and they should give us a try. The last thing we want is four our customers to jump ship ... tell 'em thank you for riding with us every day. Let's go to work to be the best LCC we can be.
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"Maybe a preferential interview or a 2:1 (2 old US Air guys for every one new hire on the street). Since we were going to keep hiring this year and next I'd want us to be fair to guys on the outside looking for Major Airline Work ... MESA RJ guys/gals should not be frozen out for the entire USAir list to be recalled."
So worse than a staple for the 14+ year AAA furloughee and a re-interview also?
You forgot to add a swift kick in the jimmy to go along with it.
So worse than a staple for the 14+ year AAA furloughee and a re-interview also?
You forgot to add a swift kick in the jimmy to go along with it.
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That's not exactly fair....
AWA will send planes away with the merger as well. AWA will gain efficiencies due to the merger. Is it fair to make the USAir pilots take the full brunt. Every airline is feeling a pinch and looking for solutions. Your annalogy suggestions taking a snap shot of AWA with no lose of A/Cs and then take a snap shot of US in the future; not a fair comparison.
My take on an equitible merger: DOH for pay, vacation, retirement, etc. Percentage for integration and round up in favor of the stronger carrier. If you are 50% on the list, you should stay there within 1%.
Parking planes: take a look at the percentage of A/C lose from each carrier and try to make it reflect the same as to furloughs. The problem is the dominant carrier may make the weaker one get rid of planes for political reasons and not necessaritly for economic ones.
It will get ugly, best of luck to all.
viper548 said:
AWA will send planes away with the merger as well. AWA will gain efficiencies due to the merger. Is it fair to make the USAir pilots take the full brunt. Every airline is feeling a pinch and looking for solutions. Your annalogy suggestions taking a snap shot of AWA with no lose of A/Cs and then take a snap shot of US in the future; not a fair comparison.
My take on an equitible merger: DOH for pay, vacation, retirement, etc. Percentage for integration and round up in favor of the stronger carrier. If you are 50% on the list, you should stay there within 1%.
Parking planes: take a look at the percentage of A/C lose from each carrier and try to make it reflect the same as to furloughs. The problem is the dominant carrier may make the weaker one get rid of planes for political reasons and not necessaritly for economic ones.
It will get ugly, best of luck to all.
MK82Man says:
As far as furloughed USAir guys ... I don't know much about LOA 89 (?) but I do think they should have some rights at the new carrier. Maybe a preferential interview or a 2:1 (2 old US Air guys for every one new hire on the street). Since we were going to keep hiring this year and next I'd want us to be fair to guys on the outside looking for Major Airline Work ... MESA RJ guys/gals should not be frozen out for the entire USAir list to be recalled, etc. I am one AWA dude who is excited about the prospect. Call me new, call me naive, call me barely wet behind the ears, but it looks like a good match and a good future to me. I'll do my part.
This has got to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever read here. To actually think that a USAir pilot that has made the biggest sacrifice (Furloughed!) should be behind a guy off the street is completely insame. MK82Man and PositiveRate should be embarressed by the stupidity they show!!! After reading your posts, I will surely be rooting for the USAir boys.
On behalf of all furloughed USair pilots that want a fair recall schedule BEFORE STREET hires...POUND SAND MK82Man and PoistiveRate!!!
As far as furloughed USAir guys ... I don't know much about LOA 89 (?) but I do think they should have some rights at the new carrier. Maybe a preferential interview or a 2:1 (2 old US Air guys for every one new hire on the street). Since we were going to keep hiring this year and next I'd want us to be fair to guys on the outside looking for Major Airline Work ... MESA RJ guys/gals should not be frozen out for the entire USAir list to be recalled, etc. I am one AWA dude who is excited about the prospect. Call me new, call me naive, call me barely wet behind the ears, but it looks like a good match and a good future to me. I'll do my part.
This has got to be one of the dumbest posts I have ever read here. To actually think that a USAir pilot that has made the biggest sacrifice (Furloughed!) should be behind a guy off the street is completely insame. MK82Man and PositiveRate should be embarressed by the stupidity they show!!! After reading your posts, I will surely be rooting for the USAir boys.
On behalf of all furloughed USair pilots that want a fair recall schedule BEFORE STREET hires...POUND SAND MK82Man and PoistiveRate!!!
I think all furloughed USAirway's guys should get automatic recall before any new hire ever gets their foot in the door.
I can care less about any off the street guys looking for a job until each and every pilot ever furloughed by either airline is back on property.
This should be a no brainer.
All guys on the active seniority lists should be part of the merger discussions. Then all furloughed pilots brought back as positions are needed.
I can care less about any off the street guys looking for a job until each and every pilot ever furloughed by either airline is back on property.
This should be a no brainer.
All guys on the active seniority lists should be part of the merger discussions. Then all furloughed pilots brought back as positions are needed.
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