AWA to hire 80+ more

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Why? So they can be furloughed as soon as the merger goes through?
 

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So...........
We don't have to cancel flights in Jan
 

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I would not be surprised if they do hire, we are running short of captains, and they will need to upgrade.

Last week on a trip, aircraft mechanical, part was being flown in, the told me they might A section our next leg, but they were concerned because they did not have enought captains.

I highly doubt anyone hired would be furloughed after the merger. We are operating on separate certificate for a couple of years, due to training everyone to common procedures. In that time, people will still retire, upgrade, or leave for other reasons and consequently, they will have to hire. USAir has a fairly high retirement rate for a several years, and most of those spots will have to be filled.

The next two years should be interesting.
 

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iflyhigh: just so you know the fact that it'll take a couple of years to transfer us over to USA's ops cert won't protect anybody from furlough. AA furloughed so many TWA guys (the bottom of the list) that some AA pilots had to be trained and brought over to the TWA op cert for several months. I'm not predicting any furloughs but nothing would surprise me. I hope this pilot-hiring thing is true but I won't believe it till I see it.
 

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I don't want to fuel the rumor wildfire any more than necessary, but I was told the same thing by the CP's office... 80+ new hires (presumably, most from the pool) by the end of the year.

I'll be first to admit this seems odd all considering...
 

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Odd indeed, since they offered LOA's for August...
 

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Maybe the merger is not even going to happen now because of upcoming integration problems between all employee groups. But then there is always the next merger partner (hopefully an airline that has no pilots on furlough).

What is the word on the street regarding the USAir fulrloughees? I know this has been talked about here in great length, but what is the latest- any USAir people or former USAir people care to comment?
 

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F1,

Forgive me if I jump in with well worn observations but....

I have no idea if the merger agreement will be consumated but if it is, we (AWA and U) are fortunate to have ALPA merger policy available. We should be pleased that a process is in place that has some hope of arriving at an equitable outcome. A process where equals argue their point. It is clear to me that defining equity is difficult. Any party to a merger will find an argumant which suits their own desires (usually short term). Merger policy, for all it's rumored content, directs the neutral to be fair. Couch it any way you want. When read without prejudice, it directs fairness of an arbitrator.

So if a negotiated agreeement is unattainable (a near certainty) we will get one via another process. Hopefully, it will not be look like the AA/TWA agreement which spread pain (created by neither party) so unfairly. The role of the rank and file is largely to fly the planes. Hopefully, leadership will identify that a seniority list will be produced with or without emotional rhetoric and devisive words between pilots who on some date certain will share employer. Maybe cool heads will prevail. Maybe a viable competitor will emerge. Maybe the whole process will be the lesser of other evils and maybe we pilots will identify it.

I'm a glass half-full guy ........ and maybe I'm nuts :)
 

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Doesn't make sense to hire/recall any more pilots at either airline with a merger in the works and with MESA available flying replacement jets the size of DC9s for crap wages.
 

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Alright, I've obtained corroborating evidence courtesy of our Scheduling Committee: Crew Resourses says it intends to hire for FEB 06. The expected number is 30-50 pilots. This is a FACT although like everything else it could change.
 

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I hope the Company and ALPA are smart enough to bring AAA guys off the furloughed list before hiring off the street. Their final seniority number can be determined at a later time/date.

There is no excuse for hiring off the street with so many AAA guys on furlough. I hope the AAA MEC brings this up to Parker.

I know I've been vocal about this.
 

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FLYLOW22 said:
Doesn't make sense to hire/recall any more pilots at either airline with a merger in the works and with MESA available flying replacement jets the size of DC9s for crap wages.
Either you are flame baitin' or Don't really know what you are talking about---
Crap wages eh?--

Refresh my memory how you NJA guys are doing?
 

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TWA Dude said:
Alright, I've obtained corroborating evidence courtesy of our Scheduling Committee: Crew Resourses says it intends to hire for FEB 06. The expected number is 30-50 pilots. This is a FACT although like everything else it could change.
Whatever info you get from crew resources, I believe, comes from the CP's office...which told me Oct ..
 

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An assistant chief pilot in my recurrent last month said the same thing - about 40 starting in October. They're trying to keep it a little quiet because they know USAirways guys would blow a fuse if they knew it was coming.

Cactus73 said:
I hope the Company and ALPA are smart enough to bring AAA guys off the furloughed list before hiring off the street. Their final seniority number can be determined at a later time/date.

There is no excuse for hiring off the street with so many AAA guys on furlough. I hope the AAA MEC brings this up to Parker.

I know I've been vocal about this.
As for the 'who to offer the jobs to', the problem is that AWA has already interviewed these guys in the pool and offered them a job when it becomes available. If the USAirways guys wanted the jobs here they should have come over and interviewed like the rest of us. They wouldn't have had to resign their seniority over there, so as the company sees it it's their choice, and has been as long as AWA has been hiring.

What happens to our new-hires after the merger is another story - one that will be settled as the lists are integrated.

HAL
 

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Doesn't make sense to hire/recall any more pilots at either airline with a merger in the works and with MESA available flying replacement jets the size of DC9s for crap wages.

Perhaps we should try to achieve a parity of pay, similar to PPP? Calling the flying mesa does "replacement" is a bit condecending.

BTW: When are the anticipated classes for current poolies?

Thanks in advance!
 

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joevollers said:
Whatever info you get from crew resources, I believe, comes from the CP's office...which told me Oct ..
Management is like the kid's game "telephone". See the thread entitled "rumor control" on the ALPA message board. Regardless I guess we'll find out this autumn.
 

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TWA Dude said:
AA furloughed so many TWA guys (the bottom of the list) that some AA pilots had to be trained and brought over to the TWA op cert for several months. .

T-Dude,

I don't recall any AA guys coming over to the TWA certificate. They did that for the FAs because all TW FAs were furloughed as of July 1,2003. They bid specifically for STL on the TW certificate. They had the CAFO program in effect during that whole mess due to furloughing all the FOs. Between all the CA displacements and the CAFOs, they were able to operate the certificate up until last summer. This is my recollection from an aging pickled brain.


Regards,

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XTW said:
I don't recall any AA guys coming over to the TWA certificate.
Well then, from one aging mind to another, perhaps they talked about it but it never really happened. I was off the property by then and going by what I read on message boards.
 

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XTW is right - they did not bring any "Native" pilots to the TWA certificate, only "native" FAs. The CAFO deal was created for this very reason. After August '04 everybody was on the "Dark Side". :eek:


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