Avantair

[jpeace02]

I apologize for bringing this up again but there's, oh I don't know about 700 of us at NJA that will be looking for work real soon.
I think Avantair has a good model and seems to be doing well just wondering what the deal is with future hiring?
Any info would be great.

 

[wacoflyr]

Brother, I doubt anybody knows. Purely a guess, but maybe a class in November, followed by more this winter. I work here, and that is nothing but a guess. I wish you the best and hope you don't have to find out first hand.

 

[Pervis]

Peace, I understand your concern and agree networking for plan B is a good idea, but you come across as knowing something when you are just assuming a worst case secenario. Small detail, but you aren't the only one threatened, so please avoid difinitive statements.

Last Friday's 411 made it very clear the company has not approached the union about furloughs at this time. There are steps to be taken-it can't just come in the form of an axe, like it did to the non-bargaining unit. There is hope yet, albeit cautious optimism.

 

[skyaddict]

700? Worst casing is like saying that an athlete should have zero percent body fat to be efficient. All fracs are running much too fat right now, but if any frac is ever stupid enough to shed all its fat, the cost of contracting lift on peak days, swine flu outbreaks and whatnot would more than kill off all that savings in spades.

 

[G200_PILOT]

Come on guys, so he spit out a number. So what? He asked a legit question and it would be great if a thread like this stayed on topic. I think it has the potential to help a lot of our guys out. Yeah, maybe even 700 of them...

 

[wacoflyr]

Okay, I'll bite. To give more info, you need an internal rec from someone you have flown with. 5,000 hours or more would be good, as would previous frac experience. Obviously, the market is extremely competitive right now. I very much hope that no one at NetJets needs this info.

Wacoflyr

 

[jpeace02]

Waco,

Good info. thanks. To everybody who's concerned with the high number of furloughs please talk to the union stewards. I'm not interested in burying my head in the sand and I'm very junior.

 

[BuckMurdock1]

Just curious-- are the Piaggio aircraft certificated for 2 pilots?? (obviously ops specs/insurance req. aside). I've got a friend who may be interested in applying, but he's too cheap to pay $10 for FI acct.
As for me- I'll only make $4000 less per yr on unemployment than a first yr F/O at Avantair...and a newborn at home: "Mr. Mom" it is.

 

[corpflunkie]

Waco's right. Right now, it is anybody's guess if/when we start looking at new hires. We (Avantair) managed to stay lean through this whole economic fiasco, and are in better shape than most. (not a dig at anyone, trust me) That being said, I have NO idea what will happen IF the godfather of fractionals (NJA) furloughs. I can't even begin to guess how the paying public (uber rich) are going to respond to the industry as a whole in that event.

CF

 

[grandma]

I apologize for bringing this up again but there's, oh I don't know about 700 of us at NJA that will be looking for work real soon.
I think Avantair has a good model and seems to be doing well just wondering what the deal is with future hiring?
Any info would be great.

just curious if you'd still consider avantair if you had to give up nj recall?

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

BUCK: As for me- I'll only make $4000 less per yr on unemployment than a first yr F/O at Avantair...and a newborn at home: "Mr. Mom" it is.

ME: That's why I quit them in the middle of a recession. But, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are 5,000 pilots who want the job I quit. Go get it....LOLOLOL

 

[wacoflyr]

So you would rather collect unemployment than work. Figures.

 

[jpeace02]

just curious if you'd still consider avantair if you had to give up nj recall?

I wish you were interviewing me. Yes I'd give up the recall. As soon as an employer tells me I'm no longer valued. I can't get outta there quick enough. I'm not waiting around for NJA.
You guys seem to be doing it right. Who knows where you'll be in 10 years. As far as NJA goes well I don't know of too many companies that, "shrink to profitability," I'm sure there out there but this guy Sokol is cutting us to the bone.

 

[hangarrat]

BUCK: As for me- I'll only make $4000 less per yr on unemployment than a first yr F/O at Avantair...and a newborn at home: "Mr. Mom" it is.

ME: That's why I quit them in the middle of a recession. But, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are 5,000 pilots who want the job I quit. Go get it....LOLOLOL

Buck are you really going to wait until some else does the hard work of building a successful and profitable company before joining in? I would rather fly banners, traffic watch and instruct then sit at home and suck off a goverment t!t. This isnt the first time the economy took a dump. But, to each his own Mr. Mom. Real American of you.

BTDI didn't you quit because you were home sick . Did any one tell you that real planes actually fly away from home airports and don't return at the end of the lesson. Those who can do, those who can't... :laugh:

Good luck to every one else. I for one hope that NJA does not furlough and they find a way to become an operationally profitable company. That would be good news for all us Frac pilots ! ! !

To get back to the topic: I hear that we are just a couple aircraft away from conducting the next initial class. Sales are reported to be stronger than the set goals so we hope to see the aircraft come soon.

I also hope that the economy turns around real soon so we can get back to argueing about which frac is the best one to be at.

 

[glasspilot]

Just to make a point. Unemployment is NOT sucking off the "government t!t."

Welfare is, food stamps are..but unemployment is an insurance that employers pay into and a worker collects. It's no different than crashing your car and expecting someone else to pay for the damage...the insurance company that you've been paying premiums to for years and years.

By the way, for years and years the unemployment fund has paid out LESS than 30% of the premiums collected. Only recently have those numbers approached what normal insurance companies pay out. In other words, don't feel bad for taking an insurance that's been paid in full.

Now, is not accepting a job because you only make 4K a year more than unemployment a wise decision? I don't know. The guy who takes the job is on year two pay when "Mr. Moms" unemployment runs out and he then takes the same job anyway with a year less seniority. Seems like an easy decision to me, but what do I know...

 

[noperf]

glass,

Very good clarification.
The premium the employer pays is also money that you aren't paid.

 

[realityman]

Glass, if you are ABLE (a big assumption right now with the economy and hiring) to find work, but CHOOSE not to, then yes, you are sucking off the government t!t.

Is Buck able-bodied? Does he meet the qualifications to be hired by another aviation employer? Is he in good health? Then if he isn't even TRYING to find work because hey, the government will just GIVE him money nearly equivalent to what he'd make anyway, then he is absoultely an unneccesary drain on the system, and is acting unethically.

Just because the money is paid in by his former employer doesn't mean it's something that HAS to be used just because it's there. By that logic, when my car is old and tired, I should just wreck it and collect the insurance money, which may be more than I'd get for it in a trade-in. I mean, I've been paying into the insurance for years, right? If I don't use it, then what good is it?

If Buck has TRIED to find work, but couldn't. If he suffered a medical problem that precluded working at this time, then fine. That's what unemployment is for. But if he's just sitting back and collecting unemployment because it's the same as he'd make working, but much easier, then I say it's BS.

 

[fischman]

I would caution against just sitting around collecting unemployment. Losing your currency will cause a problem.

 

[BeenThereDoneIt]

Sounds like Buck will be sleeping in his own bed every night for the next year, making nearly the same pay on unemployment, while lots of pilots are sleeping in a hotel half the year and missing the kids Little League games. Gee......I suppose that IS a no-brainer!

 

[wacoflyr]

It certainly is. And which side you take in this argument defines you in ways that are obvious to all.