Avantair Orders 20 Phenom 100 Jets

[C425Driver]

Mmo is M.07 on both the Avanti and the 100. On a few of the older Avanti's Mmo is M.67.

C425Driver

 

[brewerdog]

yah, ok, the P180 is cool and the style points are pretty much off the scale but I can't help but think about getting up easily and streaching and walking back to the rear of the plane and feeling the size just looking at it on the ramp, that new Airbus would be nice but...

 

[citationsarejun]

Just curious did any of the other fractionals place any aircraft orders other than Avantair? The only news I saw out of NetJets was WB announcing more record loses. Did they place any orders?

 

[C425Driver]

NJ announced orders for Hawker 750's and 900's. I haven't heard about any other orders announced at NBAA.

 

[celloman]

Just to add a tid bit about the phenom. I had a chance to talk with the reps in PIT a few months ago and they had a mock up of the 300. I asked them what the difference was in the two planes internaly. What he told me was the 300 was the same size with a plug added to give it more cabin room.

In addition have you seen how BIG the baggage compartment is on that thing!! You would have to crawl in it to get the bags in the back out.

see ya!

celloman

 

[gunfyter]

Just curious did any of the other fractionals place any aircraft orders other than Avantair? The only news I saw out of NetJets was WB announcing more record loses. Did they place any orders?

As far as I know the last thing Buffet said about NJ was $48 million in profits for the previous quarter. Not seen info for 3rd quarter.

NetJets Inc. placed an order in September for 24 Falcon 7X jets worth $1.1 billion with Dassault Aviation of France.

Raytheon said that NetJets Aviation ordered 18 Hawker 900XPs, and NetJets Europe ordered 30 Hawker 750s. Contracts have been signed and deliveries will begin in 2007 and continue through 2009, Raytheon said.
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[fivefootnuthin]

Big baggage Cello? Well, that would sure be welcomed!! I havent seen it, glad to hear it's NOT teeny tiny. Other than no anti-lock, thats the thing about the P-180 I wish there was more of. And, I'm stickin (hoping) to my original thoughts that, at some point, we may add a few Legacys and some 300's to the fleet. I wonder if we'll get a blue/gold version of that cool paint scheme?? One things for sure ..... noticing a definite change in overall spirits, which is good. Once we get some other issues straightened out ( Q.O.L. stuff ) I'd say there will most certainly be some light at the end of Avantairs tunnel.

 

[celloman]

Ok, so I lied!!!!

I went to look up the baggage compartment sizes and they are as follows.

P-180 = 41.5 cf w A/C installed

Phenom 100 = 45 cf

Phenom 300 = 66 cf

So we gain some space but not that much.... The one I saw was the 300, too bad they didnt incorperate it into the 100. We also must remember that the 100 is going to carry less people then the 300.


Take Care,

celloman

 

[citationsarejun]

gunfyter he announced he was "dead wrong" on his projections and blamed the loses on increasing costs. The writer claimed it was a direct reference to the pilot contract. Here is the link if you are interested. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/shownews101806/index.php

 

[Cloudroller]

Well, the ceiling is the same...the TAS is the same...I'm guessing the MMO is the same...

.67ish ...+/- .05?

I was assuming that what Cherry was talking about was the VMO - FYI some aircraft that have the same VMO have different MMO.

 

[C425Driver]

I'm not sure what Vmo is on the Phenom, but it's 260kias on the Avanti.

C425Driver

 

[CE750Driver]

gunfyter he announced he was "dead wrong" on his projections and blamed the loses on increasing costs. The writer claimed it was a direct reference to the pilot contract. Here is the link if you are interested. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/shownews101806/index.php

Can you read? The dead wrong statement was in reference to 2005, pre contract, when everyone was flying the pledge. Is your english really that bad that you cannot read what is written in front of you? Gunfyter is right, profit for 2006.

 

[gunfyter]

Give him a break. The writer is being deceitful. We will see soon because 3rd quarter filings come out soon.

 

[citationsarejun]

ce750driver

I guess we will wait for the third quarter filings. The reference was that netjets continues to lose money this was the announcement made during the nbaa. Hopefully they made lots of money that is good for all of us. If they lost money again it is not.

 

[Number$Cruncher]

The Buffet reference is old news...2005 10-K comments. That being said, there are all kinds of creative things that can be done to improve the "profitability" picture over a couple of quarters. A sustainable business that is resistent to the overall economic cycles will only be built by an operator that can consistently make money on flight operations alone. That is:

Flight fees + management fees + misc fees > DOCs and fixed costs (including overhead)

Note that share sales and cost of sales are excluded, but core fleet and charter expenses are included. Share sales numbers are the most vulnerable to economic cycles, and from an accounting perspective can be manipulated to drive significant short term improvements.

 

[gunfyter]

ce750driver

I guess we will wait for the third quarter filings. The reference was that netjets continues to lose money this was the announcement made during the nbaa. Hopefully they made lots of money that is good for all of us. If they lost money again it is not.

Yeah the only problem is that was NOT the announcement at NBAA. Those statements were lifted from an old document on 2005 performance

 

[Flybet3]

It's funny how P180PUKE and Pebbles just disappear when something good happens around here.... ya know?

 

[Noodles]

Nothing "good" has happened yet. It's simply an announcement for an aircraft that won't be available for at least a couple years. A lot can happen in that time. Besides, it's not really any different from the Piaggio, except for not having props.....

 

[Flybet3]

Nothing "good" has happened yet. It's simply an announcement for an aircraft that won't be available for at least a couple years. A lot can happen in that time. Besides, it's not really any different from the Piaggio, except for not having props.....

No I don't mean the airplane, I mean the fact that the company is back on its feet.

 

[P180puke]

I'm busy for a while, come back and your still at it flybet.

What a child.

I'm hoping for good things. Trying to stay positive, but let's not start rejoicing yet. Things are looking better around the workplace but the deal still has to be approved by the shareholders. Something that is obviously over your head. The company's "back on it's feet": is that what you gather from an order for 20 aircraft that don't exist yet? Regardless of the Phenom order, let's hope so. We (not you) worked hard for it.

You're a punk b.v.. Have been since you arrived here and your posts support it. You have nothing of any intelligence to inject, just foulmouthed laden outburts.


Isn't your x-box calling?