Avantair Orders 20 Phenom 100 Jets

[fivefootnuthin]

Well, i just think it would be better to, at some point, secure an aircraft that will break us out of the "regional fractional" mode. anyone who's had to do 2 fuel stops east to west in the winter time knows what i mean....smaller plane can mean more "battles of the bags", less range, less capacity, more legs per day for crews and so on. While I agree its a way to get owners we couldnt otherwise get, I'm not on the VLJ band-wagon just yet. It's an interesting plane, but doesnt do anything to answer some of our owners requests for more capability. But, I'll temper this by saying the game is just starting, and I'm certainly hopeful that something with a longer reach is in the cards.

 

[CherryBomb]

Im not really impressed with the phenom... Wont a Malibu Meridian or a TBM 850 go just about as fast?!?! You can only put 4 people in the back of a Phenom. And its only a little over 4 ft tall in the cabin. Hmmm, Im not sold on it yet, but we'll just have to see...

It is nice to see the growth. Its just hard to wrap my mind around the idea that we are getting jets that are HALF the performers of our turboprops..

 

[CherryBomb]

I was wrong, I was thinking the Phenom is only a 320 kt airplane. It looks as if it does 380. Still not quite an Avanti, but not too bad...

Cant wait to find out more...

 

[Cloudroller]

What the diffrerence in MMO?

 

[glasspilot]

What the diffrerence in MMO?

Well, the ceiling is the same...the TAS is the same...I'm guessing the MMO is the same...

.67ish ...+/- .05?

 

[C425Driver]

Mmo is M.07 on both the Avanti and the 100. On a few of the older Avanti's Mmo is M.67.

C425Driver

 

[brewerdog]

yah, ok, the P180 is cool and the style points are pretty much off the scale but I can't help but think about getting up easily and streaching and walking back to the rear of the plane and feeling the size just looking at it on the ramp, that new Airbus would be nice but...

 

[citationsarejun]

Just curious did any of the other fractionals place any aircraft orders other than Avantair? The only news I saw out of NetJets was WB announcing more record loses. Did they place any orders?

 

[C425Driver]

NJ announced orders for Hawker 750's and 900's. I haven't heard about any other orders announced at NBAA.

 

[celloman]

Just to add a tid bit about the phenom. I had a chance to talk with the reps in PIT a few months ago and they had a mock up of the 300. I asked them what the difference was in the two planes internaly. What he told me was the 300 was the same size with a plug added to give it more cabin room.

In addition have you seen how BIG the baggage compartment is on that thing!! You would have to crawl in it to get the bags in the back out.

see ya!

celloman

 

[gunfyter]

Just curious did any of the other fractionals place any aircraft orders other than Avantair? The only news I saw out of NetJets was WB announcing more record loses. Did they place any orders?

As far as I know the last thing Buffet said about NJ was $48 million in profits for the previous quarter. Not seen info for 3rd quarter.

NetJets Inc. placed an order in September for 24 Falcon 7X jets worth $1.1 billion with Dassault Aviation of France.

Raytheon said that NetJets Aviation ordered 18 Hawker 900XPs, and NetJets Europe ordered 30 Hawker 750s. Contracts have been signed and deliveries will begin in 2007 and continue through 2009, Raytheon said.
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[fivefootnuthin]

Big baggage Cello? Well, that would sure be welcomed!! I havent seen it, glad to hear it's NOT teeny tiny. Other than no anti-lock, thats the thing about the P-180 I wish there was more of. And, I'm stickin (hoping) to my original thoughts that, at some point, we may add a few Legacys and some 300's to the fleet. I wonder if we'll get a blue/gold version of that cool paint scheme?? One things for sure ..... noticing a definite change in overall spirits, which is good. Once we get some other issues straightened out ( Q.O.L. stuff ) I'd say there will most certainly be some light at the end of Avantairs tunnel.

 

[celloman]

Ok, so I lied!!!!

I went to look up the baggage compartment sizes and they are as follows.

P-180 = 41.5 cf w A/C installed

Phenom 100 = 45 cf

Phenom 300 = 66 cf

So we gain some space but not that much.... The one I saw was the 300, too bad they didnt incorperate it into the 100. We also must remember that the 100 is going to carry less people then the 300.


Take Care,

celloman

 

[citationsarejun]

gunfyter he announced he was "dead wrong" on his projections and blamed the loses on increasing costs. The writer claimed it was a direct reference to the pilot contract. Here is the link if you are interested. http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/shownews101806/index.php

 

[Cloudroller]

Well, the ceiling is the same...the TAS is the same...I'm guessing the MMO is the same...

.67ish ...+/- .05?

I was assuming that what Cherry was talking about was the VMO - FYI some aircraft that have the same VMO have different MMO.