AvantAir entire fleet grounded for mx Inspections?

[X-rated]

Nice post you idiot! If they had any hope with the FAA you just screwed it. Way to help your brothers!

Just saying, "sir" , no need to post all the ugly details here and dime out the whole pilot group! Let the FAA do their job.

With all due respect and empathy for the pilot group at Avantair, if even a fraction of what has been alleged is true, the public has a right to know. Many will likely vote with their feet, and send a clear message that there is NO room in this industry for intentionally promoting illegal and unsafe behavior. I'm in utter shock that these practices could occur at a major fractional operator even if it is based in Florida. If true, The D.O., D.M., and CP need to lose their Certificates and possibly even serve jail time. Each and every pilot should take a hard look in the mirror and consider if they in any way contributed to or enabled this outrageous behavior. Again, IF true, it's not nearly okay, and your desire to hush or hide the transgressions is indicative of a severe systemic problem.

You might want to consider if the best way to help one's "brothers" isn't to shine a huge spotlight on these kind of abuses, and make damn sure "your brothers" don't get killed along with those who entrust their lives to them. It's a tough economy, but there are far worse things than losing a flying job.

Best of luck to all those involved. I sincerely hope hope the issues get resolved and the planes get back in the air quickly.

X.

 

[Pervis]

Posts like those outlining the horrors and shoddy practices of any company always come out soon after bad news surfaces. Usually written by those with a huge chip on their shoulders after being terminated themselves for very valid reasons.

Until the Fed releases a specific announcement confirming such allegations, I'll give every Avantair employee the benefit of the doubt. Spreading this kind of unsubstantiated BS is nothing more than salt in the wounds for those confronted with furlough and possible permanent loss of their jobs.

 

[jetmaster727]

Posts like those outlining the horrors and shoddy practices of any company always come out soon after bad news surfaces. Usually written by those with a huge chip on their shoulders after being terminated themselves for very valid reasons.

Until the Fed releases a specific announcement confirming such allegations, I'll give every Avantair employee the benefit of the doubt. Spreading this kind of unsubstantiated BS is nothing more than salt in the wounds for those confronted with furlough and possible permanent loss of their jobs.

What he said!

 

[gunfyter]

What he said!

plus 1

 

[countbat]

With all due respect and empathy for the pilot group at Avantair, if even a fraction of what has been alleged is true, the public has a right to know. Many will likely vote with their feet, and send a clear message that there is NO room in this industry for intentionally promoting illegal and unsafe behavior. I'm in utter shock that these practices could occur at a major fractional operator even if it is based in Florida. If true, The D.O., D.M., and CP need to lose their Certificates and possibly even serve jail time. Each and every pilot should take a hard look in the mirror and consider if they in any way contributed to or enabled this outrageous behavior. Again, IF true, it's not nearly okay, and your desire to hush or hide the transgressions is indicative of a severe systemic problem.

I believe I said earlier the CEO, whatever his name might be, should be arrested.

 

[Luis1576]

my understanding is that this genius had his f/o film a video of his engine-out emergency landing. The f/o was not beyond his control; the f/o was directed to film the event. By "capt. Jd". Want some fodder for the feds? There ya go...

As far as the passengers go, they wouldn't have even given the event a thought if it weren't for "capt. Jd" walking around the fbo, showing off the video to the crowd... in front of the passengers.

310rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[countbat]

believe I said earlier the CEO, whatever his name might be, should be arrested.

Don't get me wrong, I don't know all the facts, but usually the CEO is the one who f5ucks up any company. I think, usually,VP ops and DO are in this too, but CP is a middle man, something between, no pilot and not enough management, so he should be out. Today's CEOs, and that is nation wide, are just bloodsuckers, worth of nothing, society parasites, good to bankrupt companies, good to be jailed, reason why our economy sucks, incompetent pieces of ******************** worthless people.

 

[X-rated]

Fair enough. There is always someone out there with an axe to grind. I have absolutely no issue with anyone being skeptical about the credibility or at least motivation of some posters. That's why I said "If true" three times. However, some of the posts were first person accounts, and instead refuting the allegations or discrediting the poster, jetmaster727 basically said don't talk about it in public because pilots could lose their jobs. While I agree speculating is completely irresponsible, discussing true and factual instances of wrongdoing is fair game when you have firsthand knowledge. I'm not saying it's true. I hope it's not.

 

[glasspilot]

It's a very awkward situation...a 'furlough with a hopefully short duration'.

That puts the furloughed pilots in a difficult situation where we can't really say anything or defend the company. We all want all these posts to go away and bad press to stop as we are motivated by the desire for our company to come out of this intact. Engaging with former employees who do have their axes out and are grinding away only puts the thread right back and the top of the stack and therefore is counterproductive.

So we're in a situation where the ex-employees are coming out swinging and swinging hard while the furloughed employees are standing here with our hands tied behind our backs.

 

[AftCG182]

It's a very awkward situation...a 'furlough with a hopefully short duration'.

That puts the furloughed pilots in a difficult situation where we can't really say anything or defend the company. We all want all these posts to go away and bad press to stop as we are motivated by the desire for our company to come out of this intact. Engaging with former employees who do have their axes out and are grinding away only puts the thread right back and the top of the stack and therefore is counterproductive.

So we're in a situation where the ex-employees are coming out swinging and swinging hard while the furloughed employees are standing here with our hands tied behind our backs.

Valid point. I think I'm done posting here for a while. Even though I want to stick up for our Company, posting and keeping these threads at the top of the page doesn't help our situation.

Have at it, folks. I'm out...

 

[Praetorian]

Have to give this one a lot of thought before hitting the 'submit' button. But here goes...

I wish the Avantair pilots had chosen to unionize because its always good to have an experienced representative in your corner, no matter what happens. I've spent - probably to much time on here - trying to cajole them.

I spoke to one of our sales guys a few months ago who told me, 'Avantair is killing us in the middle of the country, because they are undercutting us on price.' He said he thought Avantair was making deals under cost just to get the frac contracts, busting their own bank.

So here we are. Avantair was in the weeds before this event and very vulnerable. Now this happens and the pilots pay.

Question is, does it benefit us collectively as pilots for a company who cuts corners, thereby undercutting competitors, to remain in business. Those cost savings don't simply materialize out of thin air, someone in management must decide to make that happen. Put this alongside the inherent pressures that come from running a public company and you have a classic mismanagement disaster.

 

[nordo_2]

I have positive thoughts for the affected. We are all just a moment away from something like this. Having said that. It can’t be emphasized enough how pay cuts; give backs, and looking the other way. Did not prevent one single furlough. Never has, and never will.

 

[rettofly]

It's a very awkward situation...a 'furlough with a hopefully short duration'.

That puts the furloughed pilots in a difficult situation where we can't really say anything or defend the company. We all want all these posts to go away and bad press to stop as we are motivated by the desire for our company to come out of this intact. Engaging with former employees who do have their axes out and are grinding away only puts the thread right back and the top of the stack and therefore is counterproductive.

So we're in a situation where the ex-employees are coming out swinging and swinging hard while the furloughed employees are standing here with our hands tied behind our backs.

Hey Glass,

I've disagreed with you a time or three, but I'm with you on this one. Hang tough!

 

[RNObased]

Nice post you idiot! If they had any hope with the FAA you just screwed it. Way to help your brothers!

Possibly one of the stupidest posts I have ever read. You are assuming that the FAA knows nothing about any of this and it is a big secret. WRONG. Think for two seconds.

 

[MJPilot]

Glass, should have stayed with Comair, as the result would have been the same: No job!

Yet, you would have walked away with money in your pocket, about $31,000 of a severance packages, and not the worthless AAIR stock options.

Plus your FAA record would have also remained lighter ...

 

[MJPilot]

:beer:

 

[MJPilot]

:angryfire

 

[Capt. JD]

Glass, should have stayed with Comair, as the result would have been the same: No job!

Yet, you would have walked away with money in your pocket, about $31,000 of a severance packages, and not the worthless AAIR stock options.

Plus your FAA record would have also remained lighter ...

I think Gl-asspilot worked here before Avantair...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independence_Air

All valid points! It was good flying with you MJPilot!

 

[CALRepublic]

Valid point. I think I'm done posting here for a while. Even though I want to stick up for our Company, posting and keeping these threads at the top of the page doesn't help our situation.

Have at it, folks. I'm out...

good decision

Avantair guys, do your selves a favor, stop posting on this thread. You're not doing your struggling company any favors by keeping this thread alive.

Good thing your owners don't know about flightinfo..

 

[hammer2]

Has Avantair fired anybody at the top yet?