Attention Tsa Jumpseat Under Attack

[Shrek]

Just read a memo in the crew room...... 01-13-06

It stated that NO OTHER airline can occupy the jumpseat on TSA aircraft.

It allows non-revs and jumpseaters in the back if there is room. This is just another beautiful fruit born from our fight with G Jets.....err sry TSA Holdings.

The fallout from this memo is going to be felt FAR and wide.

Our negotiations for a new contract start in FEB and it does NOT set the right tone......like having TWO lists as well.

Management is trying to crush ALPA on the property and are trying to turn the rest of the airlines pilots on us. The reason to post this is NOT to be on a soapbox. The reason is to let people know until further notice that this is in effect.

I......personally would like to appologize to all of the pilots that use our jumpseat to get to and from work. We are going to work on changing this ASAP.

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

This is how the FedEx pilots feel at times....

Also, keep in mind that two ALPA volunteers have been terminated without cause for representing pilots....

 

[OPECJet]

You guys are going to have a time when a pilot who's airline you're flying for gets denied......

 

[The Drizzle]

Always exciting when you are humming for the hindu.

 

[KingKong2]

Seasoned pilots on here have been warning you for months about the Jumpseat Wars.... Now it has happened...

These are all quotes from pilots that warned you about this....

I wouldn't be looking to the FAA to back anyone up on a jumpseat war.

OK then Jackass! Play jumpseats wars… Keep this all in mind next time your trying to get home for a family emergency and you get denied by "some" Capt.

When was the last time someone won a jumpseat war? You guys denying the jump need to think about what's going to happen to your fellow pilots if they try and commute on the carrier you've chosen to deny. However think long and hard before starting a jumpseat war.

Secondly, the mainline management has, and continues to use the regional pilots to undermine the CBA's of every mainline pilot out there. Do they call you names and deny jumpseats to you? What is the difference?

Furtheremore, the childish blaming of other pilots that goes on here and unfortunately on the line in the form of Jumpseat Politicing does us all more harm than good. It's not logical to blame Mesa pilots or any of the other Small Jet operators for our industry's predicament. Management runs the airlines, not the unions. United's pilots won big in the 2000 "Summer of Love" and Comair's won big after their strike -- good for them but look where it got them. My point isn't that they shouldn't of won but that in the current environment we should view as inevitable their eventual downfall. There will always be another Mesa, JetBlue, or whomever undercutting the competition just as there'll always be pilots to fly for them. This is how life is outside the aviation industry so it shouldn't surprise anybody here.

I can't figure out how you guys can't see that what you are doing will get you nowhere. Yes, denying a jumpseat may yield a certain personal satisfaction but it obviously may get you shown the door and will take your cause nowhere.

Like I said...

Keep up the jumpseat war, it's worked so well in the past...

When did we start talking about a jumpseat war again? The jumpseat thing is a beaten horse, and I agree with you about it; ....

...It also leads to the potential for a jumpseat war. If you are a guy who needs Go J et to get to work than your fellow pilots may very well be setting the stage for you to be refused by a Go J et crew who wants to pay back a refusal he may have encountered. That is not what any of us need or want.

I personally stay out of the GJ's jumpseat wars because that's not how I play my game....

 

[PCL_128]

Stand strong, guys. Don't let them bully you into giving a free ride to these HoJets douchebags. They wouldn't be instituting this policy if you weren't hurting them already. Keep up the good work.

 

[FlyHIToo]

Stand strong, guys. Don't let them bully you into giving a free ride to these HoJets douchebags. They wouldn't be instituting this policy if you weren't hurting them already. Keep up the good work.

What are you talking about? ONLY TSA PILOTS can occupy the Jumpseat NOW. GJ Pilots can not occupy a TSA Jumpseat now either, so how is this giving a free ride to the GJ Guys?

Everybody losses on this one.

 

[PCL_128]

What are you talking about? ONLY TSA PILOTS can occupy the Jumpseat NOW. GJ Pilots can not occupy a TSA Jumpseat now either, so how is this giving a free ride to the GJ Guys?

Everybody losses on this one.

Well, HoJet Douchebag #2, the new policy that was posted specifically states that jumpseaters from other airlines are still allowed in the cabin, just not in the cockpit JS. This policy was put in place to put pressure on the TSA pilots so they would stop denying jumpseats to HoJet tools like yourself. The TSA pilots have obviously created some problems for TSA (oops, I mean HoJets ) management, so they want to pressure the TSA pilots into stopping the jumpseat denials. There is no other reason for this change in policy.

 

[100LL... Again!]

Stand strong, guys. Don't let them bully you into giving a free ride to these HoJets douchebags. They wouldn't be instituting this policy if you weren't hurting them already. Keep up the good work.

You and those who think like you have already lost this war.

I'm going to REALLY enjoy watching all the crying and screaming though.

PFT ho that you are.

 

[FlyHIToo]

Well, HoJet Douchebag #2, the new policy that was posted specifically states that jumpseaters from other airlines are still allowed in the cabin, just not in the cockpit JS. This policy was put in place to put pressure on the TSA pilots so they would stop denying jumpseats to HoJet tools like yourself. The TSA pilots have obviously created some problems for TSA (oops, I mean HoJets ) management, so they want to pressure the TSA pilots into stopping the jumpseat denials. There is no other reason for this change in policy.

I am still missing how this will help GJ?

GJ and TSA, and any other UAX or UAL pilot for that matter, can NON-REV in the back in an open seat on a higher priority than a offline jumpseater. Without talking to the cockpit. This is true for TSA American Connection flying too. A TSA or GJ pilot can pass ride in the back w/o talking to anyone but the gate agent. Just like AE can ride on AA, or ComAir on DAL, or XJT on CAL. So the only way that a GJ would even talk to the pilots is to ask to jumpseat if no seat was free in the back. Now GJ nor anyother pilot can use that cockpit jumpseat. This is the only change... that NO ONE but a TSA PILOT can sit in the cockpit not even GJ.

This policy doesn't help GJ or anyother pilot. I actually limits one more seat for everyone except TSA.

GJ is not helped in anyway by this!!!

 

[flyer172r]

GJ and TSA, and any other UAX or UAL pilot for that matter, can ride in the back in an open seat on a higher priority than a offline jumpseater. Without talking to the cockpit.

Um, since when did jumpseaters stop talking to the cockpit even if there was an open seat in the back? I was told that going up front and asking the captain for a ride, no matter where you were sitting, was considered the proper procedure. I guess GJ is just special like that though.

 

[FlyHIToo]

Um, since when did jumpseaters stop talking to the cockpit even if there was an open seat in the back? I was told that going up front and asking the captain for a ride, no matter where you were sitting, was considered the proper procedure. I guess GJ is just special like that though.

I am not talking about as a jumpseater. I am talking about as a non-rev in the back with an open seat. Not as a jumpseater.

 

[commuterpuke]

You can't bump a non-rev that's riding in the cabin.

 

[Hypoxik]

does that mean, that one would benefit from Non-reving over requesting jumpseat?

 

[Flyer2000]

Non Rev status is always higher priority than jumpseat status. There are only 2 advantages to being on a jumpseat status. 1. Getting that last [cockpit] seat if authorized 2. Not paying the non rev fee if applicable.

 

[purduedchi]

FlyHi,

It must be real nice for you GJ individuals to pass ride on our AX equipment. As for me, I fly the 41 and consequently only receive American benefits. It's nice to know that Trans States AIRLINES...per P.G. in the pass department are writing personal passes for GJ employees on AX equipment when you guys don't even support AA. When do the TSA employees get to non-rev on GJ for free? Tell me that. It's a good thing that these truly are separate companies huh!

 

[DrewBlows]

You can't bump a non-rev that's riding in the cabin.

The Captain can bump anyone who is riding anywhere on his/her aircraft. This includes non-revenue as well as revenue passengers. It also includes First Officers and Flight Attendents, but I have only heard of this happening in very rare occasions.

 

[Loafman]

FlyHi,

It must be real nice for you GJ individuals to pass ride on our AX equipment. As for me, I fly the 41 and consequently only receive American benefits. It's nice to know that Trans States AIRLINES...per P.G. in the pass department are writing personal passes for GJ employees on AX equipment when you guys don't even support AA. When do the TSA employees get to non-rev on GJ for free? Tell me that. It's a good thing that these truly are separate companies huh!

Do they even get to ride on the AX equipment that AMR still owns and TSA operates in direct violation of Eagle's scope clause? You reap what you sow, pal.

 

[Rossa]

Quick question: Is TSA in CASS?

If you aren't in CASS, then I believe only your own pilots can occupy the actual jumpseat. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[PCL_128]

I am still missing how this will help GJ?

GJ and TSA, and any other UAX or UAL pilot for that matter, can NON-REV in the back in an open seat on a higher priority than a offline jumpseater. Without talking to the cockpit. This is true for TSA American Connection flying too. A TSA or GJ pilot can pass ride in the back w/o talking to anyone but the gate agent. Just like AE can ride on AA, or ComAir on DAL, or XJT on CAL. So the only way that a GJ would even talk to the pilots is to ask to jumpseat if no seat was free in the back. Now GJ nor anyother pilot can use that cockpit jumpseat. This is the only change... that NO ONE but a TSA PILOT can sit in the cockpit not even GJ.

This policy doesn't help GJ or anyother pilot. I actually limits one more seat for everyone except TSA.

GJ is not helped in anyway by this!!!

Do HoJet pilots not have to pay for a pass to non-rev on TSA?

 

[Shrek]

Quick question: Is TSA in CASS?

If you aren't in CASS, then I believe only your own pilots can occupy the actual jumpseat. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Currently we can ride in USAirways cockpits.

Can't wait to see the first mainline pilot we have to deny......it will hit the fan big time.

 

[redbook]

Seasoned pilots on here have been warning you for months about the Jumpseat Wars.... Now it has happened...

These are all quotes from pilots that warned you about this....

Hi Dan, its hard work keeping up with your b.s. but here goes..

"seasoned"? h25b and theo? Funny.
Are you trying to imply that you have the support of pilots in the industry for your alter ego whipsaw g0jet? Even the tiny minority who sling mud on this board qualify it with "but I still think g0jet is a bad thing".

Everybody knows this not a jumpseat war but a war against seniority jumping, alter ego joining pilots like you.

what exactly "happened" today? A piece of garbage tsa low life manager, MW, is attempting to put the squeeze on tsa pilots. And which side do you fall on? the wrong side yet again. Must be lonely for you and Dave T.

 

[millhouse21]

This is how the FedEx pilots feel at times....

Also, keep in mind that two ALPA volunteers have been terminated without cause for representing pilots....

Ummmm....try SIX!

 

[210FR8DOG]

I am not talking about as a jumpseater. I am talking about as a non-rev in the back with an open seat. Not as a jumpseater.

That's the way all the Hojets terds travel. Mgt. knows they would not get their precious kids anywhere if they were relying on the jumpseat like all the other airlines on the planet, so they pay for or provide non-rev passes for everywhere they go. And yes, you should talk to the Captain regardless of your status, it's a common courtesy.......oh, I guess you wouldn't know JACK about common courtesy, would you?

 

[sweptback]

And yes, you should talk to the Captain regardless of your status, it's a common courtesy.......oh, I guess you wouldn't know JACK about common courtesy, would you?

I disagree. If you're a nonrev (ie, you didn't fill out a jumpseat form, the gate didn't check your certificates, etc.), you are not jumpseating, and you do not have to check in with the captain.

There are flights where there's a large population of commuting pilots (DFW-ATL springs to mind). If all of those pilots had to check in with the Captain while nonreving, the flight would never get off the ground. I guess by your reasoning there the last time I went to Paris on vacation I should have checked in with the Captain, just because, right?

 

[h25b]

I disagree. If you're a nonrev (ie, you didn't fill out a jumpseat form, the gate didn't check your certificates, etc.), you are not jumpseating, and you do not have to check in with the captain.

There are flights where there's a large population of commuting pilots (DFW-ATL springs to mind). If all of those pilots had to check in with the Captain while nonreving, the flight would never get off the ground. I guess by your reasoning there the last time I went to Paris on vacation I should have checked in with the Captain, just because, right?

That's right... "Just because" has become the new industry standard. Or at least "just because" the TSA pilots didn't get those shiney new jets we all must redefine the word scab and participate in some lame a$$ jumpseat war.

 

[redbook]

That's right... "Just because" has become the new industry standard. Or at least "just because" the TSA pilots didn't get those shiney new jets we all must redefine the word scab and participate in some lame a$$ jumpseat war.

Another incoherent, illogical argument aimed at confusing the issue...take a classic whipsaw alter ego and muddle it with nonsense and buzz words..shiney(sic) jets and jumpseat war....good one h25b.

 

[h25b]

Another incoherent, illogical argument aimed at confusing the issue...take a classic whipsaw alter ego and muddle it with nonsense and buzz words..shiney(sic) jets and jumpseat war....good one h25b.

None of these are buzzwords...

"Shiny Jets" - Jets or new aircraft that young regional airline pilots somehow feel that they are entitled to fly.

"Jumpseat War" - A very stupid game played by young, naive, regional airline pilots who feel that this effort will win them some sort of support or garner some other desired effect other than the unavoidable reality of it backfiring in their faces...

"Classic Whipsaw" - A management tactic first perfected many years ago and came of age when many mainline carriers in the post 9/11 economy started outsourcing pilot positions to contract carriers such as TSA, Chautauqua, Mesa, etc...

I don't think the problem lies in that what I'm saying is incoherent, it's just that you're too blinded by union political senseless anger to see the big picture...

 

[redbook]

None of these are buzzwords...

"Shiny Jets" - Jets or new aircraft that young regional airline pilots somehow feel that they are entitled to fly.

"Jumpseat War" - A very stupid game played by young, naive, regional airline pilots who feel that this effort will win them some sort of support or garner some other desired effect other than the unavoidable reality of it backfiring in their faces...

"Classic Whipsaw" - A management tactic first perfected many years ago and came of age when many mainline carriers in the post 9/11 economy started outsourcing pilot positions to contract carriers such as TSA, Chautauqua, Mesa, etc...

I don't think the problem lies in that what I'm saying is incoherent, it's just that you're too blinded by union political senseless anger to see the big picture...

right...big picture...the one that depicts a one year atr f/o should jump ahead of 700 other pilots in seniority.
I guess I am too blinded to see that. Very complicated. Shiny jets. Jumpseat war. That is what we are talking about according to you.

Big picture:

TSA got new equipment...scumbags wanted to usurp seniority...they flew it.
H25b just keep yapping nonsense.

 

[h25b]

right...big picture...the one that depicts a one year atr f/o should jump ahead of 700 other pilots in seniority.
I guess I am too blinded to see that. Very complicated. Shiny jets. Jumpseat war. That is what we are talking about according to you.

Big picture:

TSA got new equipment...scumbags wanted to usurp seniority...they flew it.
H25b just keep yapping nonsense.

Whose seniority are you talking about..??? There are 2 different lists. No one got jumped over, Period...

You're just pi$$ed you didn't get to fly the 70 seaters. Nothing was stolen from you, you just didn't get additional aircraft. Yes it is very simple.