Atlas Air FIRES 24 Crewmembers; possible Atlas AND Polar Strike!

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Ok, so we all know about the "Fired 24" Polar pilots. The rumor is Atlas/Polar will be announcing 14 more Polar Firings this week, and as many as 58 by the time they are done.

Atlas and Polar are both ALPA. There is a rumor floating around that the Atlas MEC will be authorizing a "Sympathy Strike" in the event Polar goes on strike September 16th. The details are still sketchy, but ALPA legal will probably wait until the last moment to announce the Atlas strike, due to the fact that it would be a last ditch effort to get Atlas management to the table. They also don't want to give the company time to begin hiring a scab workforce. So far, since the beginning of the 30-day cooling off period, Atlas has refused to come to the bargaining table as required by the NMB for Super-Mediation.

This would shut down the largest 747 Freight company in the world, overnight.

This is a good turn of events, and it is good to see the Atlas pilots standing side by side with their Polar brothers and sisters to put an end to the insanity in this industry.
 
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furloughfodder said:
Ok, so we all know about the "Fired 24". The rumor is Atlas will be announcing 14 more Firings this week, and as many as 58 by the time they are done.

Atlas and Polar are both ALPA. There is a rumor floating around that the Atlas MEC will be authorizing a "Sympathy Strike" in the event Polar goes on strike September 16th. The details are still sketchy, but ALPA legal will probably wait until the last moment to announce the Atlas strike, due to the fact that it would be a last ditch effort to get Atlas management to the table. They also don't want to give the company time to begin hiring a scab workforce. So far, since the beginning of the 30-day cooling off period, Atlas has refused to come to the bargaining table as required by the NMB for Super-Mediation.

This would shut down the largest 747 Freight company in the world, overnight.

This is a good turn of events, and it is good to see the Atlas pilots standing side by side with their Polar brothers and sisters to put an end to the insanity in this industry.


Man, I love this business!!!!!! I should have gone to Law School and bought a Cirrus...
 

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2LT said:
410-

I understand you're attempting to be sarcastic, however, don't even joke about what you're suggesting.

The guy's obviously a troll. Let him crawl back under his bridge.
 

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I am out of the loop but why did they get fired?

410 dude, if i were you i would stay away from being a scab and i wouldnt even joke about it. Could be scarred for life. I always wanted to fly 747s also but i would not step on anyone while doing so.

peace
 
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The only explaination Management gave as to why they were FIRED and not Furloughed, was: "We are firing them because we can!"
 

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furloughfodder said:
The only explaination Management gave as to why they were FIRED and not Furloughed, was: "We are firing them because we can!"

Can someone provide a bit more detail. So, 24 Atlas probationary pilots were fired - is that correct? Is that on top of the Polar pilots who were let go? Does that imply that any newhires won't be going to class any time soon or that the flying will be reduced in the near term?

Good luck to everyone involved!
 

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410dude said:
I always dreamed of commanding a 747, maybe I'll get my chance.

WTF mate!

Are you serious on this?

Are you just raising the bar?
 

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Good luck to all Polar/Atlas guys/gals.
 
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On Your Six said:
Can someone provide a bit more detail. So, 24 Atlas probationary pilots were fired - is that correct? Is that on top of the Polar pilots who were let go? Does that imply that any newhires won't be going to class any time soon or that the flying will be reduced in the near term?

Good luck to everyone involved!

No, I guess I wasn't too clear. Atlas Management has FIRED 24 probationary Polar pilots. Atlas Management controls both Atlas and Polar. No Atlas pilots have been fired.
 

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furloughfodder said:
The only explaination Management gave as to why they were FIRED and not Furloughed, was: "We are firing them because we can!"
Yep thats what I heard too
 
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there is a text from CEO Erickson on global net for those of you "in the know" if you want to read it. basically it says (written by cato of course) sorry but we transferred flying to the atlas side to make more money on ACMI and we are over staffed on PO side so we fired those people, but they are in a preffered hiring status at atlas when we need them. brutal. we need to merge these two groups or else its atlas' turn next folks
 

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Best wishes Atlas/Polar guys and gals.
I hope u guys get the strenght needed together because separated management will win.
Together u guys will stand.
 

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sympathy strike?

Per the contract with Atlas and ALPA:

LETTER OF AGREEMENT Between ATLAS AIR, INC. and the AIR LINE PILOTS in the service of ATLAS AIR, INC. as represented by THE AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL

No Strike Agreement _____________________________________________________________________________________________ WHEREAS, the Company and the Association, through its Atlas Air, Inc. Master Executive Council (“MEC”), have agreed to no-strike provisions for their collective bargaining agreement (the “Agreement”); and WHEREAS, the Association and the Company wish to confirm those no-strike provisions in this Letter of Agreement and to incorporate these terms into the Agreement as binding and enforceable terms, NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS AGREED AS FOLLOWS:
1. The Association, through its Atlas Air, Inc. MEC, agrees that during the term of the Agreement there will not be any complete or partial strikes, picketing, slowdowns, unfair labor practice strikes, refusals to cross picket lines, sympathy strikes, work stoppages, secondary boycotts, withholding of services in whole or in part, concerted refusal to work normal overtime, or other cessation of work or disturbances economic or otherwise unless and until the parties’ rights to self-help mature under the Railway Labor Act, provided, however, that nothing herein shall be construed to limit the Association’s right to engage in otherwise lawful informational picketing. This paragraph shall not alter or limit the Company’s right, if any, to obtain a court order enjoining such conduct by the Association and or the Crewmembers both collectively and individually. Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed, however, to limit the rights of the Association or the Atlas crewmembers to refuse to cross lawful strike picket lines established by or on behalf of pilots represented by any union lawfully certified or recognized pursuant to the Railway Labor Act.
 

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Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed, however, to limit the rights of the Association or the Atlas crewmembers to refuse to cross lawful strike picket lines established by or on behalf of pilots represented by any union lawfully certified or recognized pursuant to the Railway Labor Act.

Caveat?
 

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Just wanted to tell everyone that 410dude is flame bait. Just ignore him. All of his posts are just to get a rise out of us. I have already wasted enough time talking about him.

Cheers
 
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