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I would scientifically postulate that there are a whole buttload of 6 year 737 Captains at ATA, and not a single one at AA.Pickle said:
OK, I went to the Jan 2004 seniority list and counted (a number of pilots have upgraded since then, though), there are 47 737 Captains at the six year pay scale or lower.
Not sure what the point is, but you get to make big bucks a lot sooner at ATA than AA.
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njcapt said: "Not sure what the point is, but you get to make big bucks a lot sooner at ATA than AA."
Well, the point was that there are no 6 year captains at AA, and there are many 6 and 5 year captains at ATA. So comparing a 6 year 737 captain at the two is really not much of a comparison, AA could pay a 6 year 737 captain $500 per hour, it does not matter, since there are none. Yes, I do realize that if 6 year was $500 then 12 year would probably be $800.
Well, the point was that there are no 6 year captains at AA, and there are many 6 and 5 year captains at ATA. So comparing a 6 year 737 captain at the two is really not much of a comparison, AA could pay a 6 year 737 captain $500 per hour, it does not matter, since there are none. Yes, I do realize that if 6 year was $500 then 12 year would probably be $800.
It's inaccurate. Reserve Guarantee is 73 hours. Bid lines are built to 75-78 hours scheduled time with voluntuntary pick up to 83 hours scheduled time. Actual hours paid trend higher due to a complicated diminishing scheduled projection that allows pilots pick up more time as they underfly their block hours. The company is tightly manned, so access to additionnal flying is not an issue.tzskipper said:
I don't know what relevance guarantee has to pay rates. I'd agree higher is better, but it's only applicable if you don't fly.
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For What it is worth
I recently talked with an NROTC Classmate of mine who is an AA 757 captain. I make more than he does due to wage X guarantee.
Another post on this site has AA mgmt asking for more concessions later. Given that, UAL's peril, Delta's impending bankruptcy filing, I think we're lucky that we are not in such dire straits. It is also encouraging to see George FINALLY cleaning house.
I recently talked with an NROTC Classmate of mine who is an AA 757 captain. I make more than he does due to wage X guarantee.
Another post on this site has AA mgmt asking for more concessions later. Given that, UAL's peril, Delta's impending bankruptcy filing, I think we're lucky that we are not in such dire straits. It is also encouraging to see George FINALLY cleaning house.
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Dart asked: "Is this good news.....or bad news?"
Probably good news. This TA was thought to be one of the lynchpins for getting the 100 seat jets. So if I understand things correctly, some time in the near future there should be an announcement as to a 100 seat jet, and then the hiring that would have to go with that to staff it. IMHO, that is.
Probably good news. This TA was thought to be one of the lynchpins for getting the 100 seat jets. So if I understand things correctly, some time in the near future there should be an announcement as to a 100 seat jet, and then the hiring that would have to go with that to staff it. IMHO, that is.
Hum...
ALPA Crewmembers at ATA Airlines Ratify Assistance Measures
Wednesday June 30, 6:04 pm ET
INDIANAPOLIS, June 30 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- ATA (ATA Airlines, Inc., Nasdaq: ATAH) is pleased to announce that its cockpit crewmembers represented by the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) have ratified Letters of Agreement which amend the existing collective bargaining agreement. The amendments, which become effective July 1, 2004, will save the company approximately $70 million over the next three years.(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20030929/ATAHLOGO-a ) "We are extremely proud of our strong relationship between our employee labor unions and management," said George Mikelsons, ATA Chairman and CEO.
"ATA is very pleased with the outcome of this negotiation and, in particular, with the speed in which the negotiation was completed. Several other carriers have been in concessionary discussions for months, if not years, and have yet to obtain an agreement. Our whole process was completed in 75 days, which speaks to the tremendous commitment our cockpit crewmembers share with all ATA employees."
A new contract amendable date extends the terms of the cockpit crewmembers' current agreement by one year, to 2007. In addition, the amendment includes a new competitive pay scale for a proposed 110-seat aircraft the company is contemplating acquiring in the next 12 months.
Now celebrating its 31st year of operation, ATA Holdings Corp., parent company of ATA Airlines, is the nation's 10th largest passenger carrier (based on revenue passenger miles) and one of the largest low fare carriers in the nation. ATA has the youngest, most fuel-efficient fleet among the major scheduled carriers, featuring the new Boeing 737-800 and 757-300 aircraft. The airline operates significant scheduled service from Chicago-Midway, Hawaii, Indianapolis, New York and San Francisco to over 40 business and vacation destinations. Stock of the parent company is traded on the Nasdaq Stock Exchange under the symbol "ATAH." To learn more about the company, visit the web site at http://www.ata.com .
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world's largest pilot union, representing 64,000 pilots at 42 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA web site at http://www.alpa.org .
I thought this "deal" was only worth 42.5 million.
Buhler?
ALPA Crewmembers at ATA Airlines Ratify Assistance Measures
Wednesday June 30, 6:04 pm ET
INDIANAPOLIS, June 30 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- ATA (ATA Airlines, Inc., Nasdaq: ATAH) is pleased to announce that its cockpit crewmembers represented by the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) have ratified Letters of Agreement which amend the existing collective bargaining agreement. The amendments, which become effective July 1, 2004, will save the company approximately $70 million over the next three years.(Logo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20030929/ATAHLOGO-a ) "We are extremely proud of our strong relationship between our employee labor unions and management," said George Mikelsons, ATA Chairman and CEO.
"ATA is very pleased with the outcome of this negotiation and, in particular, with the speed in which the negotiation was completed. Several other carriers have been in concessionary discussions for months, if not years, and have yet to obtain an agreement. Our whole process was completed in 75 days, which speaks to the tremendous commitment our cockpit crewmembers share with all ATA employees."
A new contract amendable date extends the terms of the cockpit crewmembers' current agreement by one year, to 2007. In addition, the amendment includes a new competitive pay scale for a proposed 110-seat aircraft the company is contemplating acquiring in the next 12 months.
Now celebrating its 31st year of operation, ATA Holdings Corp., parent company of ATA Airlines, is the nation's 10th largest passenger carrier (based on revenue passenger miles) and one of the largest low fare carriers in the nation. ATA has the youngest, most fuel-efficient fleet among the major scheduled carriers, featuring the new Boeing 737-800 and 757-300 aircraft. The airline operates significant scheduled service from Chicago-Midway, Hawaii, Indianapolis, New York and San Francisco to over 40 business and vacation destinations. Stock of the parent company is traded on the Nasdaq Stock Exchange under the symbol "ATAH." To learn more about the company, visit the web site at http://www.ata.com .
Founded in 1931, ALPA is the world's largest pilot union, representing 64,000 pilots at 42 airlines in the United States and Canada. Visit the ALPA web site at http://www.alpa.org .
I thought this "deal" was only worth 42.5 million.
Buhler?
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