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I heard from a friend at ATA that talks are ongoing but pretty tight lipped. I ran into another friend at ATA that said the 717 is a done deal and they are just waiting on the contractual issues. I also know of one of the poolies that I interviewed with that got a job at Airtran. Maybe a few more have also left, who knows. I beleve there are 22 left in the pool from info that I have.
Just waiting for the call. Can't wait to get over there!
Just waiting for the call. Can't wait to get over there!
.....maybe soon!!
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The word on the street is that the 717's are a done deal and to expect them by the new year. This is attributed to a couple individuals in various mid-level management positions - you know how that goes - "my buddy was talking to his buddy, etc.".
The company has stated that the deal would involve 60 - 70 airframes.
New Hubs: Anybodies guess is as good as mine. Charlotte is being thrown around as are a couple places in Florida. San Francisco was a popular rumor but looks less likely with the arrival of Virgin USA.
Contract Concessions: Ongoing. They are close to inking a deal for the membership to vote on. According to Union leadership, we had agreed on a concession package with the exception of payrates for the 717 in later years. At that point the company balked and walked away from the table (negotiating ploy if you ask me). They have sinced resumed talks and we are told to expect something soon.
Considering the first two years of this contract were concessionary, the idea of continuing in that vein for another two years minimum is an unpleasant thought.
They are trying to get a package in the hands of the membership to vote on prior to Jul 01, when the next paystep occurs (which coincidentally is the "BIG" one that finally boosts ATA into the "industry standard" catagory).
Regardless of the arrival of 717's.
ATA has lost any chance they once possessed of being a recognized competitive force along the lines of Jet Blue, or SWA.
Between our financial condition and lack of public awareness (especially in "our" cities), we are destined to be a niche player at best. With the arrival of Virgin USA (and their already ingrained public awareness), SWA, Jet Blue and Air Tran's expansion, ATA will be unable to maintain a critical mass when they are faced with direct competition.
We have already shown that along with the second lowest CASM in the biz, we cannot generate enough revenue to sustain profit while those around us are.
It seems that ATA's biz plan consists of waiting it out until the "good times" return.
The company has exceeded the talents of it's current management. We need a visionary leader to come in and unite the team in a common goal. We lack any type of unifying vision. It's time for a Bethune, a Kelleher, or a Neelman if ATA has any chance of succeeding 5 years from now.
Just my humble opinion.
The company has stated that the deal would involve 60 - 70 airframes.
New Hubs: Anybodies guess is as good as mine. Charlotte is being thrown around as are a couple places in Florida. San Francisco was a popular rumor but looks less likely with the arrival of Virgin USA.
Contract Concessions: Ongoing. They are close to inking a deal for the membership to vote on. According to Union leadership, we had agreed on a concession package with the exception of payrates for the 717 in later years. At that point the company balked and walked away from the table (negotiating ploy if you ask me). They have sinced resumed talks and we are told to expect something soon.
Considering the first two years of this contract were concessionary, the idea of continuing in that vein for another two years minimum is an unpleasant thought.
They are trying to get a package in the hands of the membership to vote on prior to Jul 01, when the next paystep occurs (which coincidentally is the "BIG" one that finally boosts ATA into the "industry standard" catagory).
Regardless of the arrival of 717's.
ATA has lost any chance they once possessed of being a recognized competitive force along the lines of Jet Blue, or SWA.
Between our financial condition and lack of public awareness (especially in "our" cities), we are destined to be a niche player at best. With the arrival of Virgin USA (and their already ingrained public awareness), SWA, Jet Blue and Air Tran's expansion, ATA will be unable to maintain a critical mass when they are faced with direct competition.
We have already shown that along with the second lowest CASM in the biz, we cannot generate enough revenue to sustain profit while those around us are.
It seems that ATA's biz plan consists of waiting it out until the "good times" return.
The company has exceeded the talents of it's current management. We need a visionary leader to come in and unite the team in a common goal. We lack any type of unifying vision. It's time for a Bethune, a Kelleher, or a Neelman if ATA has any chance of succeeding 5 years from now.
Just my humble opinion.
What He/She said......
with a few additions:
Straight from "The Big Kahuna's" mouth (During a Capt Upgrade school).
Intl Gateway = Boston
New Hub = Charlotte
Florida Focus City = Would not tell, but thought to be Jacksonville
Contract Concessions: Yes, almost done. Take it for what is it worth, but it is/will be nothing more than a union busing, contract grab by the company. That is all I will say for now, but it will be BAD (for the working folks). Hopefully the pilot group has the insight to see this and send a strong message by voting NO!
The cities could change, but trust me on the contract thing, I was right about the ongoing talks was I not?
with a few additions:
Straight from "The Big Kahuna's" mouth (During a Capt Upgrade school).
Intl Gateway = Boston
New Hub = Charlotte
Florida Focus City = Would not tell, but thought to be Jacksonville
Contract Concessions: Yes, almost done. Take it for what is it worth, but it is/will be nothing more than a union busing, contract grab by the company. That is all I will say for now, but it will be BAD (for the working folks). Hopefully the pilot group has the insight to see this and send a strong message by voting NO!
The cities could change, but trust me on the contract thing, I was right about the ongoing talks was I not?
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When would proposed CLT hub become operational?
Any idea when this proposed hub in CLT would become operational? Would you need to wait for 717 aircraft to arrive or would you use existing aircraft? Can't help USAirways' prospects if it is still around - SWA invading PHL and ATA invading CLT. I suppose if ATA entered CLT after USAirways tanked, there would be plenty of cheap gates, staff and ground equipment in CLT.
Any idea when this proposed hub in CLT would become operational? Would you need to wait for 717 aircraft to arrive or would you use existing aircraft? Can't help USAirways' prospects if it is still around - SWA invading PHL and ATA invading CLT. I suppose if ATA entered CLT after USAirways tanked, there would be plenty of cheap gates, staff and ground equipment in CLT.
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