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abxdx, I for one am just darn happy that you went out and got all those options for us. Its a shame you couldn't work for Astar also. Look dude, they are employees just like us. They had as much input on the Daz plan as we do on the Joe show. NADA. Give a break, they are doing anything they can to stop the deal. Even if you don't agree, it is effort. If it makes UPS look at the plan and decide it is wrong to only look at the monetary issues at hand, then great. Let em at least try. Many business plans do look at other responsibilities other than just money.
 
I can respect what you are saying... But listen to me.. what are we going to do if the deal does not go through? Do you really think that this would work out for us long term? We need to find long term solutions.
I am not just talking about ASTAR here I am talking about ABX also. We should be looking into Asia, South America, the emerging markets. We need to be looking into Postal contracts etc etc etc...... I will be right behind you in the unemployment line if the DHL deal goes through and we have nothing else to turn to. All I am saying is NOW is the time to explore those alternatives, not waste our time trying to force a company to work with us, that has made it painfully obvious they do not want to.

mxer said:
abxdx, I for one am just darn happy that you went out and got all those options for us. Its a shame you couldn't work for Astar also. Look dude, they are employees just like us. They had as much input on the Daz plan as we do on the Joe show. NADA. Give a break, they are doing anything they can to stop the deal. Even if you don't agree, it is effort. If it makes UPS look at the plan and decide it is wrong to only look at the monetary issues at hand, then great. Let em at least try. Many business plans do look at other responsibilities other than just money.
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Just curious mxer, but with acft we have out on the ramp waiting for the flat panel mod, how is the mx group looking as far as retention. Have you heard about any news of us doing the heavy checks for ATI or Capital.. or anyone else for that matter?
I think that if ATSG can get the MRO business going you guys have a bright future.

mxer said:
abxdx, I for one am just darn happy that you went out and got all those options for us. Its a shame you couldn't work for Astar also. Look dude, they are employees just like us. They had as much input on the Daz plan as we do on the Joe show. NADA. Give a break, they are doing anything they can to stop the deal. Even if you don't agree, it is effort. If it makes UPS look at the plan and decide it is wrong to only look at the monetary issues at hand, then great. Let em at least try. Many business plans do look at other responsibilities other than just money.
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I'm wondering why you can't MYOB? We've weighed all our options, and chosen our course. You are, in your own words, "beating a dead horse".
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We are minding our own business. Check out AV8OR's response at #35 and Flyinboxes at door #38. Your fellow ASTAR buds are the ones that won't let this alone. Don't worry what we are doing and we won't worry about you. Suffice it to say we are both actively working our own sides of the street. But you guys are right on one thing. We don't have any cute videos on youtube.
 
Just my opinion, but ABX guys at the hub, check out the new black cover Airwaves. Look at pg.21 lower left corner. See that little gray box with future options? Keep in mind ATSG is a public company with shareholders and see what option has the least risk with greatest return. Also note the competitor they list in option #2.

I think will keep trying for option 1 while we still can. In the same issue ABX has stated they have an option for DHL that will allow them to keep control of their network almost at the same rate they seek from UPS and lose their network.

Just my opinion and my choice.
 
abxdx, I'm not in maintenance. Thats not what the mx stands for. easy mistake. All I'm saying is that there really is no "we". There is only a "they" when it comes to the business plan. You and I and the guys over at Astar are just the pawns that are getting screwed over. We can only try in the ways that each side have been trying. Hopefully, if we can't block the deal, then Astar can. Either way, neither of us can make the Daz or Joe come up with a particular business plan. I hope they do come up with a plan, of course. I certainly don't want to start over at this point. My thing is, any effort to block the deal is good effort. If someone thinks going to work wearing their boxers inside out will block it, then thats what they should do.
 
You seem like a reasonable person. Since the ASTAR guys won't answer my question maybe you can. If we stop the UPS deal, then what? Clearly what DHL was doing previous was not working, so why would they go back to it. My feeling is that to block this deal will only buy Wilmington a year or two at the most if that. Long term solutions are what is needed, I have a lot of working years left and I see no value in continuing a relationship that will be short lived. Now is the time to push to for alternatives, while we still have some of that revenue coming in. Not saddle ourselves with all of DHL's problems for a few more years and then ending up with nothing. As I see it, all the ASTAR guys are doing is alienating themselves in the industry, not neccessarily buy suing DHL, but buy picketing UPS. What did they do but answer the call when DHL came calling. If you or I owned an airline and DHL came and offered a 1 billion dollar deal a year contract in a stagnant market we would jump all over it. My original post as you will see did nothing more than agree with BBB that ASTAR were going after the wrong group of guys. They then proceeded immediately blast me for stating my opinion and refuse to accept that the person who really screwed them was there CEO, by doing nothing to diversify there business, allowing DHL to buy 49% of the company, further lining his pockets with cash, and then in the end tells them "oh well we are shutting down when DHL goes away".

mxer said:
abxdx, I'm not in maintenance. Thats not what the mx stands for. easy mistake. All I'm saying is that there really is no "we". There is only a "they" when it comes to the business plan. You and I and the guys over at Astar are just the pawns that are getting screwed over. We can only try in the ways that each side have been trying. Hopefully, if we can't block the deal, then Astar can. Either way, neither of us can make the Daz or Joe come up with a particular business plan. I hope they do come up with a plan, of course. I certainly don't want to start over at this point. My thing is, any effort to block the deal is good effort. If someone thinks going to work wearing their boxers inside out will block it, then thats what they should do.
You do not have to agree with me, everyone is entitled to thier own opinion.
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Fob That is not quite the story. The vast majority of the peopel there were central Ohio part timers who were trained and then the hub closed and so did there jobs.
Yes some made it on to other FEDEX jobs, but it was still a major change and process in their lives. Plus all this effected the other former major operations like Chicago.
My point is that this is not that different than Purolator, Emery, CF, Kitty HAwk, Etc Etc Etc. Never easy, never smooth, and painful. Unfortunately these are businesses and nor just employers.
 
abxdx, Ok, anything I say is of course just opinion. I agree that if the deal goes through, we are done. If the deal is blocked, we are also done. Thats because the damage was done at the point of the announcement. Will our company seek other contracts to save us, don't know. We are public traded. (for now) If they tell us of anything they are working on that is not public knowledge and you go purchase a single share of stock, we will address you as Martha Stewart. I don't have a clue what may or may not be coming down the road. I just have faith that my maker and my family will be with me and I will deal with whatever I have to. Again though, anything that the Astar guys do as far as trying to block the deal is better than giving up. You never know what might just help.
 
I agree that no matter what happens, as long as I have my family healthy and happy that is what is important. I simply think that we should be looking for alternatives. Let's not wait for our politicians to say they are going to do something and then once elected do nothing( did you see where a campaign advisor of Mccains was also a DHL lobbyist). I am not saying sit back and give up but work it at both ends. And don't waste your time picketing a company that has done nothing but do right by thier investors..
You want to start a campaign... Announce to the world that there are 8000 hardworking people in Southern Ohio that are looking to provide for there families, and if treated right and given good benifits are willing to work there tail off for any large coorperation that is willing to come here. We have the infrastructure, we have the people, we have the hardworking attitude. Let that be your message...

mxer said:
abxdx, Ok, anything I say is of course just opinion. I agree that if the deal goes through, we are done. If the deal is blocked, we are also done. Thats because the damage was done at the point of the announcement. Will our company seek other contracts to save us, don't know. We are public traded. (for now) If they tell us of anything they are working on that is not public knowledge and you go purchase a single share of stock, we will address you as Martha Stewart. I don't have a clue what may or may not be coming down the road. I just have faith that my maker and my family will be with me and I will deal with whatever I have to. Again though, anything that the Astar guys do as far as trying to block the deal is better than giving up. You never know what might just help.
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abxdx said:
If we stop the UPS deal, then what? Clearly what DHL was doing previous was not working, so why would they go back to it. My feeling is that to block this deal will only buy Wilmington a year or two at the most if that.
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Does anybody remember what the combined DHL/Airborne market share was 5 years ago? I thought DHL had about 6% and Airborne had about 14%.

What is it now? Single digits, I am sure.

There are a whole lot of factors that made this deal possible, one of which is that market share in the U.S. has dropped to levels that UPS or FedEx could reasonably absorb.

"Da $hit don't go back IN da donkey!"
-Tony Soprano
 
This thread shows beautifully what a s#%t job the flying business has become...sad as hell..just a dog's breakfast..

-S
 
Squanto said:
This thread shows beautifully what a s#%t job the flying business has become...sad as hell..just a dog's breakfast..
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That may be true when compared to the heyday of the 60's and 70's, but even as bad as things have become, it's still a pretty good gig.

As someone once said, "If you ever think the flying business is too tough, step aside. There are 10 guys waiting for your seat."
 
I think I will listen to that advice. Good Luck boys. My seat is vaporized so it isn't available but for 20 grand a year you can go to Mesa. Glad to soon be free! Peace.

P.S. BBB I miss your wonderful advice and your "you guys should have" and "don't blame UPS" crap. Better look in your own closet.

I'm out , good luck to all.
 

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