Asiana 777 crashed on landing at SFO

[whymeworry?]

You mean "Richard Quest" isn't an expert? You could've have fooled me... what with his expert explanation of 3 degree glideslopes and all.


CNN, parrot journalism. All of them. Which is why I don't watch the news anymore. Run by complete idiots!

 

[Capn Butthead]

I think it's important to wait to see what the FDR has to say....but I think all of us can take things out of this.

I know we all Fly visual approaches every day but it seems more and more that companies are telling us to use automation! Don't fly it...the computer is better than you. I think that is a bad thing. I still hand fly a lot and I still fly visuals when I can raw data...unless I'm tired or my add has kicked in! I think we should all take the time to keep our skills sharp.

The other thing that got my skin crawling was at the 26minute mark on the tape...while the ga plane was talking...someone in a English voice yelled go around...probably the united 747 holding short. I can only imagine what was going through their thoughts...or the Skywest flight following the 777.

 

[shroomwell]

I know it is jumping to conclusions, but there is a lot of evidence suggesting that this crew was not well trained and able to adapt to the situation of a visual approach without GS, (read the pprune thread). Like it or not the Asian carriers have a history of only training there pilots to be computer operators, and there pilots have very little stick and rudder time.

That being said, my concern now is that we have SFO open again and heavy aircraft (many from Asian carriers), operating with only a 1R for takeoff, and 19L for landing. To me this could be a problem.

 

[NEDude]

I think it's important to wait to see what the FDR has to say....but I think all of us can take things out of this.

I know we all Fly visual approaches every day but it seems more and more that companies are telling us to use automation! Don't fly it...the computer is better than you. I think that is a bad thing. I still hand fly a lot and I still fly visuals when I can raw data...unless I'm tired or my add has kicked in! I think we should all take the time to keep our skills sharp.

The other thing that got my skin crawling was at the 26minute mark on the tape...while the ga plane was talking...someone in a English voice yelled go around...probably the united 747 holding short. I can only imagine what was going through their thoughts...or the Skywest flight following the 777.

Interestingly my company has taken a very different approach - we train hand flown, raw data, no auto thrust approaches regularly in the sim. Hand flown approaches are required while on IOE and encouraged in normal line operations.

 

[sstearns2]

You mean "Richard Quest" isn't an expert? You could've have fooled me... what with his expert explanation of 3 degree glideslopes and all.


CNN, parrot journalism. All of them. Which is why I don't watch the news anymore. Run by complete idiots!

Actually I would say that the networks are run by very smart people. The issue is that their intent is not to be accurate or informative. Their goal is to get the audience to watch the advertisements.

Scott

 

[sstearns2]

I know it is jumping to conclusions, but there is a lot of evidence suggesting that this crew was not well trained and able to adapt to the situation of a visual approach without GS, (read the pprune thread). Like it or not the Asian carriers have a history of only training there pilots to be computer operators, and there pilots have very little stick and rudder time.

That being said, my concern now is that we have SFO open again and heavy aircraft (many from Asian carriers), operating with only a 1R for takeoff, and 19L for landing. To me this could be a problem.

It is not just the Asian carriers...

Scott

 

[acaTerry]

Ah, the dreaded hand-flown visual approach in a blistering 7 knot quartering headwind in daylight conditions with no ceiling....could have gotten any of us...there but for the grace of god....

The finger pointing. The blame. The "I can't believe what an idiot..." It all needs to stop. One of the greatest things Jesus ever said was "Let he among you without sin cast the first stone". I can't believe how many go ahead and throw them. I'm sure I speak for many of you besides myself when I say the only reason we have not had an accident ourselves is because we knew what not to do because someone ahead of us learned the hard way.
I notice that accidents tend to come in 3's. So before anyone starts acting like Superpilot, look out or YOU may be number 2 or 3.

 

[Tweaker]

Actually I would say that the networks are run by very smart people. The issue is that their intent is not to be accurate or informative. Their goal is to get the audience to watch the advertisements.

Scott

That is one of their goals. Propaganda, disinformation and controlling public opinion are higher goals.

Why do you think it is that most newspapers lose so much money? If ad revenue was job 1 this would not happen.

 

[Furloughed80]

Video of crash

 

[airplane wizard]

Crashed because they didn't file a flight plan??

 

[100-1/2]

Wake Turbulence from ANA8 777-800?
Landed just before Asiana.
Passengers described shaking on final.
Impact (tail first) on Sea wall right of centerline
And length of debris field and travel indicate
Significant forward velocity.
Without GS/PAPI, ANA8 could have had a high
Descent path while Asiana had a lower glide path
And encountered ANA8's wake?

After six pages, extremely disappointed no one
Else has suggested this.

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[Fliteidol]

Wake Turbulence from ANA8 777-800?
Landed just before Asiana.
Passengers described shaking on final.
Impact (tail first) on Sea wall right of centerline
And length of debris field and travel indicate
Significant forward velocity.
Without GS/PAPI, ANA8 could have had a high
Descent path while Asiana had a lower glide path
And encountered ANA8's wake?

After six pages, extremely disappointed no one
Else has suggested this.

100-1/2

Extremely disappointed that you think there is a 777-800.

 

[100-1/2]

What is a 77W?

 

[t-bone]

From the NTSB briefing just help, data pulled from the CVR and FDR show they were "significantly" below target speed of 137 knots, there was no call regarding low airspeed until 7 seconds prior to impact, they got the stick shaker 4 seconds prior, and go-around was called 1.5 seconds prior to impact. FDR shows engines responded normally.

 

[100-1/2]

-300? But hey, why I love this board soooooo much. Someone makes sense with a logical suggestion and like clockwork, there you are.

100-1/2